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zynnya (ID=4) (Jul 20, 2001 7:27:36 AM)
Hi Trish

zynnya (ID=4) (Jul 20, 2001 7:28:27 AM)
Are we too early, or too late?

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:29:37 AM)
Hi, I think too early

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:29:53 AM)
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Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:30:05 AM)
I'd never been here before so, I thought I'd just see how to get around.

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:30:13 AM)
Hi, Lisa

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:30:16 AM)

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:30:35 AM)
I was wondering when Dr J signs on?

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:30:49 AM)
in about an hour

zynnya (ID=4) (Jul 20, 2001 7:31:08 AM)
Friday morning from 8:30 until 10 EST

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:31:14 AM)

zynnya (ID=4) (Jul 20, 2001 7:31:16 AM)
So what time is it now, over there?

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:31:26 AM)
it is 740am est

zynnya (ID=4) (Jul 20, 2001 7:31:38 AM)

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:31:47 AM)
I will introduce my self My son is apd and add and 9 yrs old we are having trouble with the school is this unusual ?

zynnya (ID=4) (Jul 20, 2001 7:32:14 AM)
This is only my second visit.

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:32:33 AM)
I guess I hae a few questions but will wait and ask Dr J

zynnya (ID=4) (Jul 20, 2001 7:32:52 AM)
I might pop back in here later, bye ladies.

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:33:05 AM)
Trish are you new?

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:33:05 AM)
I am new too. my dd has autism and a mild bilateral hearing loss. someone on my aut list mentioned CAPD and I researched it and it fits her perfectly. We are waiting for an audioligist to confirm

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:33:23 AM)
bye zynnya

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:33:26 AM)
I already have audiologist confirmation.

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:33:41 AM)
But reading is a realy struggle my son is dxed as

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:34:45 AM)
Have you tried any of the computer programs? Like FastForWord Home version or Earobics?

zynnya (ID=4) (Jul 20, 2001 7:35:07 AM)
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Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:35:12 AM)
Yes I have tried Fastfoward at the school We did part 1 and are currently doing part2

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:35:17 AM)
Has not helped much.

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:35:18 AM)
we are doing the FFW home version (called Away We Go) and will use Earobics when she masters that

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:35:34 AM)
I hear that earobics is just like fast foward

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:35:46 AM)
Have you heard of the PACE program?

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:36:21 AM)
yes, but not much. I know it's very, very expensive

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:36:48 AM)
A school in my area offers it but I am confused about how it works. Any ideas?

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:37:23 AM)
no, I havn't researched it much yet. We are trying these other things first. Does you son have speech issues?

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:37:56 AM)
His expressive speech is delayed alittle, great with spelling and decoding poor in reading comprehension. Any ideas?

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:38:18 AM)
I heard of Lindamood Bell Visualizing/verbalizing but that too is very costly here in New Jersey

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:38:49 AM)
have you tried having him read to himself aloud?

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:39:08 AM)
My daughter is just going into first grade, not reading yet.

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:39:29 AM)
Yes that helps aliitle but when the material gets harder or more abstract it does not help much

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:39:41 AM)
I hear PACE changes your weaknesses

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:39:47 AM)
I hear it improves them

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:39:52 AM)
What about books on tape, with headphones?

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:40:31 AM)
THat we have been doing but with him going into 4th grade I am looking for a reading program that is going to help improve his reading comprehension.

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:41:02 AM)
His school using the same program for all with no modifications in reading and I am looking to change that for my son

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:41:23 AM)
But I have no clue how to modify the current reading program

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:41:56 AM)
We are just starting this program, but you might have success with it. Have you heard of AT Last! A Reading Method for Every Child ?

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:42:16 AM)
no what is it all about

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:43:31 AM)
It is supposed to help with the problems that kids have with all the non rules that don't apply in certain situations. it teaches reading from the basic Dick and Jane type readers

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:44:09 AM)
hard to explain, but if you go to the website and check it out, there is a message board that the author moderates and everything. She will answer emails and helps tremendously

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:44:33 AM)
See I am a little confused with my sons problem He is okay in every aspect of reading except with being able to comprehend at grade level.

Trish (ID=3) (Jul 20, 2001 7:44:54 AM)
I have to get ready for work, so I can join the chat for a little bit when it starts. I'll be back.

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:44:54 AM)
It is all confusing to me that is why I figured I would sign on this morning and see what dr j has to say

Lisa (ID=5) (Jul 20, 2001 7:45:02 AM)
me too

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debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:11:24 AM)
good morning fourjmbfamily

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debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:26:47 AM)
hi lisa

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:27:06 AM)
debbie how does this work will dr j answer any questions we have

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:28:18 AM)
yes he does..he should be here shortly

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:28:27 AM)

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:28:45 AM)
dr j specializes in auditory processing disordres and is in private practice in the washington dc

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:29:08 AM)
I am on the capd list at stjohns maelstrom so I am familiar with him

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:29:19 AM)
How often does he come online?

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:29:22 AM)
he's really good about answering questions

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:30:32 AM)
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LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:30:42 AM)
hi trish

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:30:46 AM)
every two weeks..he's usually here on tuesday..but we've had to do some readjusting for summer

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:30:48 AM)
hi trish

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:30:55 AM)
Hi lisa, Hi debbie

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:31:20 AM)
Does he have a waiting list in his private practice?

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:31:29 AM)
I came to work, so I'll be kind of lurking while I do paperwork. :-)

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:31:46 AM)
I"m not sure of that, he's just recently gone full time in private practice

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:32:05 AM)
i'm getting ready for a doc if i'm slow responding please be patient

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:32:12 AM)
lisa are you in the DC area/

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:32:37 AM)
I have had so many different answers lately looking for a good professional . no I am in NJ but i will go anywhere for my son

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:32:50 AM)
dc is not too far

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:33:05 AM)
Alan Gertner at Kean University is excellent also !!

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:33:11 AM)
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LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:33:12 AM)
is that in NJ

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:33:20 AM)
hi dr J

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:33:32 AM)
yes it is..near toms river

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:33:38 AM)
close to where I am

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:33:48 AM)
good morning everyone. How are you'all this morning?

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:34:00 AM)
good but confused

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:34:10 AM)
his name and contact info are on the NCAPD referral listing..he writes wonderful reports that parents can understand!

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:34:16 AM)
good morning dr j

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:34:18 AM)

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:34:24 AM)
thanks debbie I will look into it

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:34:33 AM)
good morning debbie and lisa and trish

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:34:40 AM)
DrJ may I ask a question?

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:34:50 AM)
yes, please?

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:35:02 AM)
I have a son who is 9 has apd and add /

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:35:23 AM)
He has just been diagnosed with as[ergers I am looking for a good reading compreh program any ideas?

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:36:46 AM)
when you say a good reading comprehension program do you mean a generic program that works on reading comprehension? I say this only because without appropriate and in-depth information regarding a child's underlying processing problems, there is no way for me to tell what would be appropriate for that child

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:38:00 AM)
my son has been through earrobics and fastfoward 1 and 2 processing problems are very slight. He needs a program that is designed to improve his reading compreh He is worse the more abstract the material is. no decoding or reading or blendig problems he has trouble understanding what he is reading.

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:38:41 AM)
I have come accross Lindamood Bell v/v and Pace what are these really designed for?

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:39:17 AM)
lisa, I understand what you are saying, and this is what I will say. From what you are saying, I interpret it to mean "I want a specific program related to reading comprehension that meets my son's specific needs."

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:39:27 AM)

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:40:15 AM)
however, lisa, as I said before, without specific information on the specifics of your son's underlying deficits, I could not tell you or anyone what would be appropriate for him. I can talk about generic programs for reading comprehension.

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:40:59 AM)
What kind of professional can I see to tell me what he needs and what program will be good we have been to them all and no one will be specific Where do I go from here?

Copycat (ID=11) (Jul 20, 2001 8:42:01 AM)
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LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:42:24 AM)
Can you explain to me what programs are out there that are geared towards reading compreh? Maybe a list and I can just start trying everything I guess I am desperate

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dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:43:40 AM)
IF the underlying problems he has in reading comprehension are based on auditory processing problems, then, the professional would be an audiologist who truly understands APD and its relation to educational things. If the underlying problem is language, then an SLP with knowledge and experience with educational/reading issues would be the professional, if the underlying problem is cognitive, then a psychologist or neuropsychologist would know about the reading comprehension problems. You need to identify the underlying essence, WHY is you child having problems with reading comprehension. Then, the program would be a natural outgrowth of the WHY being answered.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:45:05 AM)
Hello, Dr. J. My daughter is 7 with high functioning autism, microcephaly, speech delay, articulation disorder, and a mild bilateral conductive hearing loss (they say too mild for hearing aids) We did try aids anyway and they did not seem to help. I did not know about CAPD until about a wek ago and have been researching ever since. What tests need to be done to determine CAPD? I have contacted our audiologist and waiting for her to get back to me. Not sure if she is even aware of the testing that needs to be done, because CAPD was never suggested by her, and my daughter fits the profile to a "T". we are doing Away We Go (FastForWord Home version), and will do Earobics also when she masters AWG. Her chief problems at home and school is that she doesn't listen and doesn't follow directions!

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:45:10 AM)
Well i would say the underlying problem is both language realted and cognitive if it is both then what? I think this is why the school has no idea which direction to go I am trying to guide the school they have no clue

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:45:27 AM)
There are NO programs out there that treat and I underlie the word TREAT any problems including reading comprehension. THere are many TOOLS (you may call then programs) that have an impact on Reading Comprehension.

LIsa (ID=8) (Jul 20, 2001 8:45:57 AM)
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dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:46:10 AM)
Lisa, I know what you would say. WHat I'm saying is what are the specific underlying factors that test results have identified

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:46:21 AM)
SOrry, I hope Lisa will be right back.

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:46:32 AM)
BTW, good morning copycat

debbie (ID=7) (Jul 20, 2001 8:46:50 AM)
I"m sorry to leave so soon. I hope to be back before chat is over.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:47:14 AM)
bye debbie!

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:47:28 AM)
Yes, debbie, I understand you have to leave. I hope your appt. goes well. Hope to speak with you before the chat is over.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:47:51 AM)
Dr. J? were you able to read my question?

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dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:48:41 AM)
i think I may have missed your question trish. SOrry, could you repost it please?

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:48:45 AM)
Hello, Dr. J. My daughter is 7 with high functioning autism, microcephaly, speech delay, articulation disorder, and a mild bilateral conductive hearing loss (they say too mild for hearing aids) We did try aids anyway and they did not seem to help. I did not know about CAPD until about a wek ago and have been researching ever since. What tests need to be done to determine CAPD? I have contacted our audiologist and waiting for her to get back to me. Not sure if she is even aware of the testing that needs to be done, because CAPD was never suggested by her, and my daughter fits the profile to a "T". we are doing Away We Go (FastForWord Home version), and will do Earobics also when she masters AWG. Her chief problems at home and school is that she doesn't listen and doesn't follow directions!

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:49:43 AM)
Trish that's great. IF you don't mind my asking were you able to cut and paste. I just went back and read the original

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:50:08 AM)
yes, I was. I also wrote my question in notepad and cut and paste

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:50:09 AM)
ANyway, from what I gather, your question is WHat tests need to be done to determine APD?

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:50:17 AM)

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:51:13 AM)
and can these test be preformed (And acurately ) on someone with a very mild bilateral conductive loss?

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:51:13 AM)
You've done those tests already. IF you take a more generic approach to APD (sort of what I believe and as I define it in my approach and model of APD), then, so long as a child has problems dealing with auditory information, the child has APD.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:52:04 AM)
Understood and a I agree. I do need to get it on her IEP for school though - since this is a private school and we homeschooled last year, they may possibly take my word for it, but...

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:52:17 AM)
WHat I'm saying is there are no definitive tests to determine specifically if a child has what is traditionally called APD. However, what I believe you really are asking is WHat tests do I want and what information can I get from these tests?

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:52:27 AM)
yes. Thank you

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Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:53:01 AM)
hi babs.

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:53:25 AM)
No, what you need is a comprehension APD assessment by an audiologist. And in your daughter's case, you'd want an audiologist experienced with children in the Autistic spectrum and one who has delt with children with neurological disorders because of the hydrocelphalis.

dr.j (ID=10) (Jul 20, 2001 8:53:29 AM)
Good morning babs.

Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 8:53:35 AM)
Good morning

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:53:55 AM)

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:54:11 AM)
we do have an audiologist that knows us well.

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Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 8:54:35 AM)
what is microcephaly, if you don't mind my asking

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 8:54:37 AM)
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Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:54:52 AM)
it means she was born with a small (micro) head (-cephaly)

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Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:55:03 AM)
welcome back, Dr. J

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:55:13 AM)
No problem. :-)

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 8:55:27 AM)
I'm sorry and trish I realized as I was typing the message may not have gotten trhough. ANyway,

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:55:41 AM)
so there are no names of tests that I need to give the audiologist?

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 8:56:16 AM)
What I was saying is you want an AUDIOLOGIST who is experienced with APD, the autistic spectrum and neurological factors.

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 8:56:47 AM)
No, the audiologist should be telling you either the tests he/she uses or generically what the test battery entails and what info is provided by the tests.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:57:20 AM)
okay. So, I wait for her to return my voice mail message! :::laughs::: it's hard to wait.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:58:54 AM)
I don't understand though, why when the audiologist evaluated her, she didn't think of this? Perhaps because she only sees her once a year and doesn't know of her other difficulties in "Real" life. I suppose I answered my own question!

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 8:59:42 AM)
would this account for her articulation problems? Like when I say "fff-fish" and she says "ppp-ish"

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 8:59:48 AM)
Because your child has the micro (sorry before I said hydrocelphalis, I think) but I mean the microcephalic condition, one factor may be that unless you have (and I would suspect you have) neurological testing including EEG or brainwave info, the audiologist or the testing may want to include some (what we call) electrophysiological testing to see if the "wiring" the system is functionally together. But, at least from my perspective and approach to APD, what you want would be the behavioral tests that tell how your daugther is procesing and dealing with auditory information (mostly verbal or speech information) that is altered, modified, presented with competing message so that we can assess how she processes auditory information under difficult listening situations.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:01:36 AM)
Okay. that makes sense!

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:01:58 AM)
Trish, APD or still the old name CAPD is NOT part of the traditional audiological education. For example, I have taught at a number of different universities that have graduate or doctoral programs in audiology. At two universities, APD (old name CAPD) was not even a course but I introduced it as what is called a Special Topics Seminar. At one of these univerisities, it eventually became a 3 credit course and both AUDs and SLPs took that course.

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:03:29 AM)
At the most recent program I was at (an AuD or doctoral program in audiology) APD was a 2 credit course only for audiologists and I was told to focus totally on the traditional audiological approach to APD (you can learn more about that reading the Jerger/Musiek article which I believe is on the NCAPD website, and come to the NCAPD first annual conference "Straight Talk about APD")

Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 9:04:00 AM)
I agree dr.j I am an audiologist and as of four years ago, there still wasn't a course offered in the program I attended. I have gone to everything offered in my state on the subject

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:04:34 AM)
so, she may still not know what I am talking about when she calls me. and then again she may.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:04:45 AM)
how frustrating for us parents!

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:05:37 AM)
So, to everyone listening, and to Trish, when you contact a professional to investigate the possibility of APD testing for your child. ask WHat is involved in their test battery that they use for assessing auditory procesing. If they do not discuss altered, modified, distorted speech, and speech with competition, then, you should question the value of that APD testing as since it's inception in the 1960's the field of APD was founded on the behavioral tests using these altered, modified, distorted speech and speech with competition.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:05:54 AM)
what about SLP? Are they more or less aware of APD?

Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 9:06:51 AM)
ask questions, and lots of them SLPs from have knowledge from a different perspective and they do not have the ability to diagnose

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:07:08 AM)
Trish, yes, unfortunately, yes. In my experience and hanging out for many years with the professionals involved with APD, and going to professional meetings, national and international conferences, there are a few, select few audiologists who attend the meetings and most attend to learn about the electrophysiological aspects of APD or just HOW do I give the tests and scrore them (what I call the test battery appraoch).

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:08:09 AM)
Her therapists know her and us well. I just wish someone had suggested APD to us before. It makes so much sense! esp as to why the hearing aids didn't help. They probably made it harder!

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:08:20 AM)
SLPs are much more aware of APD issues, but they do not have the tools the tests to accurately assess APD and especially to differentiate APD from language disorders (whehter language knowlege disroders or language processing disorders (and in my approach, my model, language knowledge and language processing are two different things.)

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:08:35 AM)
okay, so I will talk to both of them

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:09:23 AM)
Thus, most SLPs understand lanugage knowledge and approach APD from a lanugage knowledge problem and treat the language knowledge and, in many cases, this is good, but in most cases it either doesn't work or it's only good so long as there is on going treatment.

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:09:49 AM)
Trish, does your daughter test out to have normal hearing ?

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:10:00 AM)
she has a mild bilateral conductive loss

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:10:56 AM)
OK, has the underlying cause of the conductive loss been identified? THat is, is there a physical abnormality in the middle ear system OR does she just have chronic otitis media with effusion that she always has a conductive loss?

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:12:49 AM)
Earlier someone posted something that I want to underscore. They made the statement that it is hard for us parents.

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:13:10 AM)
I decided that I would not have surgery for such a small loss, so we did not have the dx regards to physiology. she has had freq ear infections as a child, and still from time to time

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:13:21 AM)
Yes, you are correct. I think this is a large reason behind debbie getting the idea to create the NCAPD to help parents be better educated.

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:14:30 AM)
SO, are you saying that she has a temporary conductive HL, a flucctuating (changing) loss or a permanent and stable conductive hearing loss. And when you discuss surgery was it specifically for fluid or for what part of the middle ear? DOes she have a problem with her middle ear bones?

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:14:39 AM)
I'm so glad I found this list and the chat

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:15:42 AM)
not that I am aware of. we declined the testing to see if there was a physiological problem because I declined to put Kiana through any surgery for such a small loss

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:16:01 AM)
she has a permanent loss, too small for hearing aids

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:16:13 AM)
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Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:16:15 AM)
though, on my insistance, we did try them

dr.j (ID=14) (Jul 20, 2001 9:16:20 AM)
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Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:16:21 AM)
Hi, mama

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:16:50 AM)

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:16:53 AM)
if someone else has questions, please jump in. I don't want to monopolize Dr. J!

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:17:06 AM)
I am soooo new to this dx

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:17:13 AM)
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Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:17:21 AM)
welcome back

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:17:30 AM)
me too Trish got the report this week

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:17:41 AM)
very confusing

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:17:54 AM)
still trying to get ahold of our audiologist to find out about testing.

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:18:03 AM)
boy those gremlins are really out there today kicking me out of the chat? ;-)

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:18:21 AM)
i went through the University here they were very helpful

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:19:17 AM)
so, I was saying that Kiana has had audiological eval and tested with a mild bilat loss, too small for aids

Trish (ID=9) (Jul 20, 2001 9:19:50 AM)
and that we declined to find out if it is physiological (which it may well be because of her small head) because we would not have surgery for such a small loss

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:20:30 AM)
The results on Jill say that she does just fine when she bets the same info into bothe ears but if it is different she understands nothing. I mean nothing at all. How does this fit in with the the spectrum of CAPD?

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:20:36 AM)
ANyway, what I was tyoping before getting kicked out, trish is that a stable, permanent conductive hearing loss is one of the easiest and most successful for improvement by hearing aids. ANY child with a primary conductive hearing loss (no sensorineural loss) who is given appropriate amplification should make exceellent progress. IF the progress in listening and speech and language is not rapid and relatively normal (normal to the norm of the child's mental age and cognitive abilities) then, the problem HAS to be beyond the ear in the central nervous systsm's abilities (in this case lack of abilities) to process auditory-verbal information.

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:20:37 AM)

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:21:09 AM)
mamawooleybear (too it ok if I call you mama?)

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:21:11 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:21:17 AM)
please do

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:21:26 AM)
everybosy else does

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:21:27 AM)
Hello all:)

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:21:31 AM)

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:21:40 AM)
hi becky

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:21:47 AM)

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becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:22:13 AM)
Dr J a quick question what does an audiologist do to fit an auditory trainer?

Trish (ID=18) (Jul 20, 2001 9:22:41 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:22:50 AM)
wb trish

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:22:56 AM)
anyway, what you're describe sounds like it could be a divided attention problem, an integration problem or a neuromaturational problem. Thus, it is because of one of these three reasons that your child is having problems process auditory information. ALso, please note, that these three different explanations relate to both other test results (looking at the whole picture) and presenting problems as well as to the approach the professional takes in evaluating the tests and interpreting what is and what is not APD.

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:24:02 AM)
becki, nothing. THe auditory trainer is merely placed on the child's head and worn by the teacher. WHat the audiologist SHOULD do is assess the child to determine the need for an auditory training (really and let's call it what it is, and FM system as it does NO training so it is not a trainer).

Trish (ID=18) (Jul 20, 2001 9:24:38 AM)
what is your recommendation on one of these systems? Is there a good one that is reasonably priced?

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:25:11 AM)
The school system where I live said before a child can use it, it has to be fitted by an audiologist..i told it to the audiologist doing the testing and she rolled her eyes..but the district lady said that is the new rule from fl dept of ed

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:25:25 AM)
I have wonderen I keep hearing about ear infectrions and hearing loss. Jill has neither she hears better than normal. She did have a skull fracture when she was 18 months old. It was in the middle of her forehead. could this be related?

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:25:34 AM)
The FM system should be set (internally) as well as chosen according to the hearing loss . For example, a child with normal hearing needs a very different system or settings on the system than a child with a hearing loss. Next, the child and parents need to understand what the FM system does and how it will be handled and monitored in school. The teacher will be the primary person involved with the system. The teacher needs most of hte couseling and education.

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:26:27 AM)
They gave it to my daughter for 3 weeks last year and now that we are going to court due to the other issues they won't take care of all of the sudden an audiologist has to fit it:)

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:26:49 AM)
mama, you ask ab out my feelings on FM systems. IF they are needed and appropriate for a child, then the ones that most schools and companies use are fine. A lot depends on the service in your area, the wearing needs of the child (that is, headphones vs. "hearing aid" style).

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:27:12 AM)
which is better...headphones or aid style in your opinion?

Trish (ID=18) (Jul 20, 2001 9:27:30 AM)
good question. Thank you.

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:27:40 AM)
The headphones just make then stand out so obvious..

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:29:52 AM)
There was a research study recently done, I can't recall where I read it) that said the so called earbuds (like with walkmen systems ) do not work as well as the larger earphones. In may approach and my professional opinion, alfter a child is assessed and IF an FM system is one of the accommodations (remember it is NOT a treatment as it treats nothing), the best is large headphones that block out as much background noise as possible and give the best sound from the teacher's mic. I've found that earphones from radio shack costing as little as maybe $25 to $35 do this job. But the small, more comfortable earphones do NOT cut out the background sound and the earbuds definitely do not cut out the bavkground sound.

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:31:17 AM)
What are some good acomodations for a child that the background noise is one of their main problems?

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:31:45 AM)
Becki, the hearing aid style uses a custom fit earmold. As such that is the best. Also, the newer hearing aid style FM systems are compact so the hearing aid is both the FM receiver and the battery/amplifier. The child does not wear both a box on a belt (for example) and the earphones. But, the hearing aid style are expensive and they do not outperform the box and headphone systems so school districts are reluctant to spend the extra money.

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:32:05 AM)
Remove any and all background noise is any and everyway possible.

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:32:31 AM)
Becki, please don't think me facicious (I think that's the word and spelling). I'm not making fun nor being negative.

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:32:55 AM)
thats ok:) i've though the same thing myself but the bubble i requested was turned down:)

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:33:00 AM)
COnsider the following.....I am a child who can not tolerate bright lights. WHat is the best thing for you to do to help me so I can see and read?

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:33:44 AM)
But the school says they have to stay in a regular classroom for a free public education and theres tons of noise in there that will never go away...

becki (ID=17) (Jul 20, 2001 9:35:40 AM)
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dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:36:34 AM)
Then, you need to get the accommodations to reduce all and any noise within the classroom into your child's IEP then the school has to make the room quieter. However, the next best thing is to use a good set of earplugs like the ones used for shooting guns. However, the child will not hear ANYTHING. so you need these type of headphones or earplugs (in the form of earmolds for the hearing aid style) with some loudspeaker or the hearing aid to bring the teacher's voice to the child. BUt, remember, the only sound the child will hear is the teacher's voice and NOT the conversation of other children, not the discussion in class, not the comments made by other kids at circle time, etc.

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:36:40 AM)
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dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:36:58 AM)
Hi becki, I think the gremlins got you. Glad you're back.

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:37:10 AM) was my turn today:)

Trish (ID=18) (Jul 20, 2001 9:37:12 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:37:17 AM)
could a head inury on Jill's forehead cause her problems she is having with different info in each ear? She cracked her skull right in the middle of her forehead when she was 18 months old

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:37:53 AM)
but never had and ear infection and has great hearing

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:38:07 AM)
mama, it is possible that a head injury could lead to some even subtle neurological factors that led to the problems in processing auditory information. Yes, that is a possibility.

Trish (ID=20) (Jul 20, 2001 9:38:26 AM)
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atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:38:27 AM)
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Trish (ID=20) (Jul 20, 2001 9:38:37 AM)
more chat demons

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:38:55 AM)

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:38:56 AM)
What about when they can seem to find no reason for it at all are some just born with it?

dr.j (ID=16) (Jul 20, 2001 9:39:04 AM)
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becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:39:17 AM)
does anyone else live in fl???

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:39:18 AM)
do we need an exorcism?

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:39:28 AM)
I'm in Mississippi

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:39:43 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:39:51 AM)
hi frog

Trish (ID=20) (Jul 20, 2001 9:39:56 AM)
I'm in southern indiana

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:39:59 AM)
hi all

Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 9:40:03 AM)
im in fl

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:40:25 AM)
well, becki, should I thank you for sending those gremlins to me ;-)

Trish (ID=20) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:09 AM)
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dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:11 AM)
good afternoon dolfrog. Have you turned on your air conditioner yet? I understand you're having a heat wave, I think the temps are near 80 degrees, eh?

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:15 AM)
Babs - watch out because the fl dept of ed is suposedly comin gout with a big 75 page report about apd and what has to be done to prove it and a bunch of red tape so they don't have to do daughter has been tested since april and its still not enough

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:27 AM)
i have yet to see it

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:44 AM)
No prob Dr J thats what you get for laughing at me:)

Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:45 AM)
fl doesn't recognize apd under the regulation

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:46 AM)
Well, then, dolfrog, go play a round of golf.

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:46 AM)
or feel it

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 9:41:56 AM)
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becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:42:00 AM)
No and its streching very far so it never has to.....

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:42:13 AM)
the open is on over here

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:42:16 AM)
Gudaye aussieangel

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:42:19 AM)
They say my daughter has a language disorder but refuse to call it apd

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 9:42:36 AM)
g'day every one

Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 9:43:08 AM)
at least with a langauge disorder you have the possibility of getting language services then you can assist in getting some appropriate goals to address areas of apd deficit

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:43:16 AM)
that makes me sssoooo ,ad If there is a problem what does it matter the neme they need to DO something

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 9:43:16 AM)
can some one tell me anything about the tomatis method???

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:43:31 AM)
becki, has your daughter been tested for APD appropriately by an audiologist knowledgeable and experienced with APD and how it relates to educational and langauge factors?

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:43:52 AM)
Do you know what it took to get that? i pay $450 a week for speech becasue they don't want to do it

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:14 AM)
Babs, yes, you're correct. But in most cases, lanugage servcies focus on language knowledge while children with APD have processing and not knowledge factors.

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:16 AM)
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Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:25 AM)
that is true

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:26 AM)
I am doing that now..she was done by an nueropsychologist....

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:27 AM)
I think I'm going to give up soon

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:29 AM)
I have two kids with CAPD. One was officially dx by an audiologist. The other one I didnt get tested- I just know he has it.

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:35 AM)
(on the chat)

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:37 AM)
welcome back trish. Did the gremlins get you too.

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:43 AM)
Don't give up you are probably your childs only chance:)\

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:46 AM)
sevral times

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:54 AM)
The schools definately won't do it:)

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:44:58 AM)
Oh becki, what we have been through

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:45:01 AM)
we are going to have to have and exorcism

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:45:11 AM)
I well know I am her best advocate

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:45:13 AM)
Trish, I think those gremlins love you and me and becki.

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:45:18 AM)
You aren't telling me anything I don't know..i am in the process of going to court right now

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:45:25 AM)
I had to have Jill tested on my own

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:45:42 AM)
my daughter is functioning relatively on a 5 year old level and they are putting her in 2nd grade

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:46:00 AM)
For all, btw, the problem getting knocked off the chat individually is a problem with out personal ISP and NOT the chat nor the company or server that hosts the chat.

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:46:18 AM)
Does CAPD effect general functioning level?

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:46:29 AM)
could you describe the gremlins as a cause of APD

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:46:34 AM)
Jill has been in tutoring this summer and is doing very well. They are insisting that she repeat 1st grade

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:46:36 AM)
Mine wss my own stupidity trying to close windows i shouldn't of:)

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:46:51 AM)
lol frog

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:46:53 AM)
my school won't let me hold my daughter back.....

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:47:18 AM)
lets trade schools becki

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:47:21 AM)
we homeschooled last year

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:47:31 AM)
now going into private school special ed

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:47:38 AM)
I am homeschooling my kids with the capd

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:47:38 AM)
becki, I feel and understand for you. I have done a lot of professional work helping as a professional advocate in many fair hearings or impartial hearings and I've even been in a number of state courts and even in the federal courts on cases realted to APD and services or lack thereof. SO, it is true. In my experiences many school do not understand APD and do not want to deal with it.

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:47:39 AM)
wish I could do that Trish

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:48:27 AM)
How much time does it take to do the work required by the schools

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:48:29 AM)
APd effects all aspects of saily life

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:48:38 AM)
Is homeschooling the answer? does that teach them to overcome it or just go around it?

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:48:41 AM)
daily life

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:48:57 AM)
I have thought about it

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:49:33 AM)
I'm wondering if it really matters, becki, If the out come is acceptable

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:49:58 AM)
I don't think it's necessarily the answer. I think appropriate placement is the answer, if that is homeschool or special ed or what will help

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:50:12 AM)
I think it does because someday they are going to have to make it on their own whether the situation is favorable to them or not

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 9:50:34 AM)
dr j do you know much about the Tomatis method and what it involves

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:50:35 AM)
think about it. in homeschooling there is one to one communication, no distractions, or little distractions, but still it was HARD for us

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:50:40 AM)
Homeschooling doesnt cure the CAPD in my experience, but it sure can give them an enviornment in which they can learn. it is hard for kids with capd to pick up information in a classroom full of kids, with the teachers voice comming from behind a desk etc. A home is relatively more quiet, with the parent sitting right near the kid teaching one on one. My daughter has made tremendous progress in her reading and writing

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:50:42 AM)
But if you are like me you still need some assistance

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 9:50:44 AM)
she still doesn't listen or mind

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:51:23 AM)
becki, the schooling is NOT the factor. FOr example, a child homeschooled but not proveided appropriate services and an appropriate approach with appropriate accommodations and modifications BUT also with proper instruction to develop appropriate auditory processing and genreal processing skills will not succeed as well as we would want compared with a child in a public school where the teacher's understand, accept, accommodate but do not cause the child to be handicapped and were there are services provided to teach the child to overcome the APD problems. Of course the reverse is correct and the same for private school etc.

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:51:33 AM)
Homeschooling may provide the environment to learn pictorially but it does not cure APD

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:51:42 AM)
I thought the objective though was to get your child where they could learn in a classroom environment?

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:52:24 AM)
I know Jill has learned more in the past 2 months with 2 hours a week of GOOD tutoring with someone who understands her problem than she did in two years in school

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:52:45 AM)
I dont know if getting a child into school should be the objective. I think the objective should be to get a child where they can function as close to normal as possible in reading writing speaking etc. It doesnt matter where that takes place

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:52:47 AM)
Well, becki, that all depends on your approach and beliefs. FOr some , such as myself and my wife, our goal is to have our children be able to function in the REAL WORLD, and for us the public schools represent the real world. For it is in the real world that they have to live the rest of their lives.

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:52:52 AM)
I can't find a tutor that knows much...i do have her in speech 3 times a week though

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:53:05 AM)
There needs to be more public awareness of the disability

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:53:21 AM)
I know homeschooling doesnt cure the CAPD. I wasnt aware that there is a cure exactly. is there?

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:53:35 AM)

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:53:37 AM)
Thats what i meant the classroom is "the real world" so to speak but home isn't...

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 9:53:40 AM)
how true dolfrog.......

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:53:56 AM)
What the no up there an answer to?

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:54:04 AM)
like the boomarang

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 9:54:21 AM)
hi dolfrog from downunder.........ihave got the capddownunder page

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:54:56 AM)
atti, there can't be a cure since there is no known (and possibly no single) factor or CAUSE. APD is a symptom. It is a behavior. It is a description of how a child is functioning. It may have a large and wide variety of reasons for the child to be functioning that way. The goal is to help the child use what the child has to make the best of how the child can process UNIQUE or NEW information received through the auditory channel.

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:54:59 AM)
i like it deb

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 9:55:21 AM)
ahahhahha fits hey ......tried to find a dolphin to fit with the page theme

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:55:21 AM)
I dont agree that the classroom is the real world. The classroom is a very artificial world where everyone in the same age is lumped together learning the same thing at the same pace

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:55:46 AM)

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:56:05 AM)
But they have to do for themself, they have to get along socially and go by someone elses rules..sounds like it to me:)

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:56:32 AM)
The other problem we have is that Jill has problems with depression and them shuts down when she knows she aught to be albe to do something but she's not getting it. this has not been a problem this summer and she is learning in leaps and bounds . I don't want to medicate her for depression if it is caused by what the school is doing or not doing. Anybody have any ideas?

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 9:56:39 AM)
Dr J, what are the best interventions for this. My daughter will be doing fastforword in November. Anything else out there?

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:57:00 AM)
you have to find a small group of peole you can be friends with

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:57:16 AM)
like us frog?

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:57:24 AM)

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:57:37 AM)
Well, for children of that age, THAT is their real world. There they have to learn how to deal with each other, with the adults who are the "bosses" with the different rules (those of home, those of the classroom, those of the gym, those of the hallway, those of....etc). That is what I mean by the real world. A world which does NOT accommodate automatically to the child. A world where you have to advocate for your needs, learn where to find the resources to help yourself. Learn how to ask questions. Learn NOT TO EXPECT.

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 9:57:55 AM)
My daughter Amber has the same prob mama and i just hang all the A's on a door in the house and remind her when she gets mopey that there was a time she couldn't do those things and she learned and that she will learn this stuff too...

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 9:57:59 AM)
most of the time son has capd and speech/language delay......the school he goes to here in Adelaide South Australia......the kids are the same grade age but they do worrk at there level......he's about 2 years behind .......but they still go up to the next year level with their peers

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 9:58:10 AM)
apds can not cope with groups larger than 3 or 4 people they can not process what is being said

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 9:58:23 AM)
atti, you ask "what are the best interventions for THIS." For what do you refer when you say THIS?

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:59:31 AM)
I have thought about sending Jill to school for the social aspests and then just teach her the info at home

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 9:59:41 AM)

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 10:00:20 AM)
Well, I guess I mean for the CAPD especially the part about the spelling being so off the wall because the like sounds such as C and K, Dand T ect sound so alike and also all the vowels sound so alike to my kids that when they write anything you have no idea what they are writing

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 10:00:29 AM)
I'm going to stick to makin g the school do their job....the staff cringes when i come in BUT I am on the verge of getting everything i asked for

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 10:00:33 AM)
we will work with Kiana even though she goes to school

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 10:00:49 AM)
APDs have to develop their own coping strategies but sometime they do not work, may be because newer strategies have bypassed the older ones

dr.j (ID=23) (Jul 20, 2001 10:00:58 AM)
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aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:01:01 AM)
yes mamawooleybear......but do you find she wont do a lot of things for you......but if some one else asked her to she would

dr.j (ID=26) (Jul 20, 2001 10:01:32 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:01:41 AM)
I do Jills spelling visually tell her to picture the word and then use the picture in her head and forget about the sounds

dr.j (ID=26) (Jul 20, 2001 10:01:58 AM)
well, becki and trish, they hit me again.

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 10:02:00 AM)
welcome back dr.j you need some new pitch forks

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 10:02:11 AM)
You should of stayed in bed this morning:)

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 10:02:29 AM)
How do you do that exactly mama? with flashcards?

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:02:56 AM)
That's where big brother comes in. She will do anything for him. And he for her. She is 7 he 16.

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:17 AM)
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dr.j (ID=26) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:22 AM)
I have to appologize but looking at the time it's 10am here and I have to get ready for a 10:15 appt. Becki, I wish I could have stayed in bed this morning. My wife and I both woke up and both of us thought it was Saturday and were annoyd that I did not turn off the alarm clock last night ;-)

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:26 AM)
hi debbie

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:27 AM)
write the word in colored marker sylables in different colors on a sheet of typing paper.

Copycat (ID=12) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:33 AM)
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aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:38 AM)
hi Debbie

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:40 AM)
hi there

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:45 AM)
hey Deb

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:03:58 AM)

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:07 AM)
I will have to try that. I need to leave.Hard to type with 4 yr old on my lap whining

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:10 AM)
sorry i missed most of the chat...

atti (ID=21) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:24 AM)
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dr.j (ID=26) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:27 AM)
debbie, hello and good bye. SOrry I have to run. Please, I hope to see you all here again on a Friday morning (this seems to be a great time debbie) at 8:30am eastern time or 03:8 (that's 8:30 upside down) in AUstralia. ;-)

becki (ID=19) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:34 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:40 AM)
we make it into a scrabble like game, using a scrabble board She gets to use the dictionary to find word for me

dr.j (ID=26) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:40 AM)
Be back in two weeks on friday morning. see you then.

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:50 AM)

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:50 AM)
thank you so much, Dr. J

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:55 AM)

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:04:58 AM)
bye dr j

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:05:03 AM)
see you then dr j.

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:05:03 AM)
i will be back in chat in just a sec....

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:05:07 AM)
see ya

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 10:05:54 AM)
how are your lurking professionals deb

dr.j (ID=26) (Jul 20, 2001 10:06:45 AM)
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dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 10:07:51 AM)
got to go to collect a junior sprog from school

dolfrog (ID=22) (Jul 20, 2001 10:08:00 AM)
bye all

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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:08:05 AM)
bye frog

Trish (ID=25) (Jul 20, 2001 10:08:11 AM)
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aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:08:11 AM)

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:08:18 AM)
bye aussie

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:09:03 AM)
hahahahha no sorry I was saying bye to dolfrog.....still here for a while

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:09:13 AM)
sorry aussie

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:09:21 AM)
not trying to run you off

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:09:26 AM)
no probs......

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:09:51 AM)
I lose track just ;like Jill does

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:10:07 AM)
we have such fun talking to each other around here

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:10:13 AM)
so how old is Jill

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:10:19 AM)
she's 7

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:10:31 AM)
when was she diagnosed

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:10:34 AM)
repeating 1st grade this year

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:10:42 AM)
about a month ago

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:10:59 AM)
they wouldn't test til she turned 7

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:11:18 AM)
that was in June

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:11:35 AM)
yeah andrew was diaganosed in March this year been search for answers for about 9 years he's 11

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:12:15 AM)
Its so frustrating to know something is gong on but not be able to get the help you need

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:12:19 AM)
here in Aust they are testing from about 5 if there is a diffent need

Babs (ID=13) (Jul 20, 2001 10:12:22 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:12:46 AM)
Jill's school said they didn't know anything about apd had never heard of it

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:13:23 AM)
they do in other places (test earlier) but Mississippi is backward and slow

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:13:28 AM)
yeah tell me about it.......I hadn't heard about it it wasn't until I meet Deb in the states last year ........

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:14:00 AM)
yeah you will get places like that

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:14:40 AM)
I have a friend who is a speach pathologist she suggested I do some research about it that it sounded to her like what she had heard about apd

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:15:40 AM)
but I know even in the big school system they have only had a one hour in service about apd. and this was for the speech teachers

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:15:53 AM)
yeah in the process now......but it's even less known of here in the land downunder ......have got a page if your interested

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:16:41 AM)
yes please. I'm also looking for places Jill's teacher can go for help. The school won't help her

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:16:42 AM)
I have been lucky with the school....they are very supportive and will do what they can to help and accomadte him

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:17:24 AM)
The school here is trying to put out good little factory workers. Anything different hes to be eliminated

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:17:30 AM)

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:17:31 AM)
ok here it is........hhtp://

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:18:04 AM)

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:18:11 AM)
no probs

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:18:25 AM)
i'm dripping coffee everywhere

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:18:43 AM)
there a pic of andrew on his pages ........

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:19:05 AM)
yes please would love a coffee need to keep awake.....

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:19:18 AM)
cool Love to see. I don't have a scanner can't get pict in

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:19:33 AM)
no probs........

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:19:45 AM)
where are you from again

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:19:58 AM)
I thought Deb was coming back wanted to let her know about Jills results. Mississippi

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:20:43 AM)
hahhaha ok yeah prob busy......know she has got alot on with this conference.....

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:20:48 AM)
I have such a hard time getting here on tues nights with suppr er and baths and stories and all

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:21:26 AM)
yeah get like try to rember time differences as well......

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:21:43 AM)

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:21:47 AM)
and also theres work and kids tooo....:):):):)

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:21:51 AM)

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:21:59 AM)
hi deb.

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:22:10 AM)
we got Jill's results this week

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:22:25 AM)
sorry i was in and out....i just walked in from the doc's office

holli (ID=28) (Jul 20, 2001 10:22:27 AM)
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debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:22:34 AM)
hi holli

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:22:40 AM)
brb....making a coffee anyone for one.....

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:22:54 AM)
i'd love one deb =)

holli (ID=28) (Jul 20, 2001 10:22:57 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:22:58 AM)
her prob is she has NO ability to understand info if she gets different info in each ear

holli (ID=29) (Jul 20, 2001 10:24:22 AM)
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mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:24:28 AM)
wb holli

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:24:41 AM)
grimlins got you too?

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:24:56 AM)
back.......change of plans got a port instead's cold here to night

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:25:21 AM)
I want cold. It's been near 100 here

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:25:32 AM)
deb hows the plans for conference etc going....

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:25:43 AM)
it's hot here too...

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:25:56 AM)
I guess it is in Fl

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:26:14 AM)
the plans are coming along good.....

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:26:47 AM)
thats great not working to hard I hope......gotta be nice and rested for when I arrive

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:27:19 AM)
with the health problems....not much choice i'm becoming mellow

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:27:38 AM)
have to go dog and child are fighting

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:27:39 AM)
ahhahaah thats the way...:):):):)

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:28:13 AM)
just found out im diabetic?

mamawooleybear (ID=15) (Jul 20, 2001 10:28:13 AM)
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aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:28:32 AM)
Deb did penny ask you about the Tomatis method.....

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:28:49 AM)
yes she did ..i've not had a chance to check, but i will

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:28:57 AM)
yes penny did tell me......

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:29:51 AM)
hwo was the chat this morning?

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:30:25 AM)
ok thanks am finding a little about it here but not much........we only have 4 centres in Aust.........all 400 + miles away.........but may have found some one here in Adelaide that know a little about it...

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:31:17 AM)
give me a few days to get some info and i'll get it to you

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:31:21 AM)
for what I have been told it's very popular over there...

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:31:42 AM)
i've just not looked into it..i have some general info

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:31:57 AM)
ok no probs greatly appreciated......btw page is comming on as well.......

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:34:34 AM)
sorry....sister is on phone

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:35:12 AM)
ok no off now talk to all's midnight here.......

debbie (ID=27) (Jul 20, 2001 10:35:44 AM)
ok..take care and cant wait to see you!!!

aussieangel (ID=24) (Jul 20, 2001 10:36:07 AM)
me too.....know we are going to have fun......:):):):)

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