dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:23:00 AM)
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dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:47:42 AM)
Good morning to anyone who arrives

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:48:48 AM)
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Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:49:15 AM)
good morning, dr. j!

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:51:27 AM)
Good morning Marge. Just stepped away for a sec. How are you this am?

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:52:30 AM)
Looks like Marge stepped away for a sec as well ;-)

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:54:16 AM)
i'm back!!

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:54:31 AM)
doing well, thanks. been rainy up your way?

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:54:34 AM)
Well, did you bring me my coffee?

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:55:05 AM)
<-- wheels the cart over... 2 carafes of coffee, tasteful selection of pastries. Fresh cream. Real sugar.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:55:39 AM)
Yes through the weekend my wife told me (as I was away doing two workshops in Long Island, NY on Friday and Saturday). BUt, yesterday was really nice and today it should be around 80degrees - ready for a swim Marge?

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:55:57 AM)
oh, here's Martha Stewart now, to coordinate our tableware... how nice of you to come, Martha ( ;-) )

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:56:13 AM)
HOT here in atlanta. and strong afternoon thunderstorms.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:56:14 AM)
<--THanks Marge for her excellent choice in flavored coffee

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:56:26 AM)
<-- smiles modestly

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:56:52 AM)
<---opps, put the spoon and forks on the wrong side of the plate setting the table. I'll get it right next time ;-)

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:56:55 AM)
did you get to the AAS meeting in AZ

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:57:23 AM)
<--- just uses one of those "place setting" placemats to keep it all straight ;-)

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:57:35 AM)
No. Now as a private practitioner in my own practice, it's costly to go to the various meetings. I have to be careful and conserve time and money.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:58:10 AM)
<----Sets out his Mickey placemat.....WOW! so here's the template to follow ;-)

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:58:47 AM)
i read in the abstracts for the meeting that Dr. Hood and a colleague did a paper re: hypersensitivity to various frequencies in autistics... found that none of the autistics had such frequency sensitivity

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 8:58:56 AM)
push up

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 8:59:05 AM)
<-- admires the Mickey placemat

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:00:53 AM)
Interesting. MY own research (back when I was doing investigation of AIT) indicated no general auditory hypersensitivities in children within the autistic spectrum syndrom when the criteria for hypersensitivity is abnormally low or abnormally high UCL levels....and we looked at UCL levels for speech and noises within specific frequency bands.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:02:11 AM)
My research findings DO NOT SUPPORT auditory test data as indicating any auditory sensitivities within the austistic spectrum pop for the subjects we saw. It was much more evidenced when we looked at parent responses to questions about auditory sensitivities rather than audiological testing.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:02:35 AM)
THus, what I guess I'm saying is that I'm not surprised by Dr Hood et al's findings.

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 9:02:46 AM)
in what way does that undercut the theory underlying AIT? I know Berard said autistics DO have such hypersensitivities, and that the modified music is supposed to help with that (via desensitization).

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:02:47 AM)
Boy, where is everyone this am?

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 9:03:08 AM)
probably on vacation; school ended last week for most ppl, i think

Marge (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 9:03:19 AM)
my kids were out before memorial day this year!

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:06:25 AM)
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Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:07:04 AM)
well, that was weird! the chat just up and tossed me out!!

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:07:10 AM)
anyway, hi peggy

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Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:07:23 AM)
wb dr j... did the chat just toss you out? i just got back!

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:07:43 AM)
sorry the gremlins got me and yanked me out of the chat.

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:07:51 AM)
hi what happened to the chat?

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:08:07 AM)
DOn't know. We'll have to tell debbie if this keeps up.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:08:07 AM)
dunno... some kind of hi tech hiccup

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:08:58 AM)
peggy: are you on the CAPD list?

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:09:06 AM)
No, Marge. its the gremlins. They roam through the chat and snatch unsuspecting participants and bounce them off ;-) just to keep in check whether you're paying attention or not ;-)

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:09:42 AM)
dr j: haha, that's it, that's it. related to the same little gremlins that paint the pictures on the screen, no doubt!

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:10:08 AM)
Dr. J. I had a meeting with the school and they keep insisting that my son is just actively defying the directions they give him and it has nothing to do with processing and I do not know how to explain it to them when I know he does not understand?

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:10:50 AM)
ANyway Marge, I was trying to say that in a two year study I did independently, I have students in my Intro to AUdiology classes test each other's hearing trhesholds using interoctaves. Can you believe that around 65 - 75% (I forget, but it's high) of these normal college students had peaks and troughs of 10 dB and on a questionnaire, less than 10% of all the subjects indicated some noise sensitivities or what we might call auditory sensitivities.

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:11:22 AM)
Peggy, I understand your frustration. Have you had your son evaluated for APD?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:11:24 AM)
dr j: i can believe it!

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:11:57 AM)
Marge, bottom line then........65-75% of all of my college students need AIT OR fit into the autistic spectrum

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:12:28 AM)
.oO(Sometimes in a class I suspected the latter to be the response for some of these students....or at least spacing out..... ;-) )

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:12:37 AM)
dr j: bet you always thought there was something a little "different" about your college students, eh? ;-)

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:13:22 AM)
dr j: ever try to correlate their audiograms to their noise exposure?

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:14:17 AM)
Peggy, I don't know if you received my response to your question above. I understand how frustrating it can be to get a school district to understand and how frustrating it is for a novice and person with limited knowledge (like a parent) to try to explain a sophisticated area such as APD. Has your son been assessed for an APD problem?

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:14:20 AM)
Absolututely! Was evaluated in Shands, Gainesville by an audiologist. In 3 of the subtests he scored in the 1% and he refuted any previous tests that stated he had adhd. He said he only hears auditorily partially from the right ear. He said he had a severe problem

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:15:01 AM)
<--- i REALLY wonder where we're gonna be in about 10 years with the number of kids who drive around here with boneshaking bass cranked up on their car stereos. i mean, when you can FEEL the vehicles passing by... 100 feet away... THROUGH the wall of the house!!!

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:15:36 AM)
peggy: was your son the one who had abnormal OAE but normal ABR?

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:16:35 AM)
OK. SO, now you have evidence that your son has auditory processing difficulties based on the testing at Shands (was the audiologist Dr. Hall?). Now, either the report from the audiologist or the audiologist's information provided to you should be sufficient to help you understand his auditory processing problems to the degree that you can explain it to the schools. Otherwise, you may benefit by having a professional who truly understands APD come in as an advocate and help the school understand what is going on.

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:17:29 AM)
Marge, I'm not sure what you are asking so maybe that is not my son???

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:17:46 AM)
peggy: probably someone else, smile.

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:20:54 AM)
Dr. J. Yes it was Dr. Hall and I actually do not know much more now after the testing, then I did before because I was already told from several psychologist that he had APD but the report was not written in lay terms and not any practical application......so the school just say there is nothing stated they can do to help him

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:21:41 AM)
Marge, what is oar etc. I'm terrible with abbreviations????????smile

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:22:30 AM)
OAE is otoacoustic emissions; it reflects the activity of the hair cells in the cochlea

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:23:11 AM)
ABR is auditory brainstem evoked response; it reflects the activity of the auditory brainstem after the auditory signal leaves the auditory nerve.

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:24:48 AM)
Well, I'm sorry to hear what you are saying Peggy. IN my professional opinion and from my approach to APD, I feel it is a major part of the APD professional's job to help the parent understand in what we may call "parentess" and "schooless" language how the results of APD tests explain the presenting problems and academic/school/social and home concerns raised that brought the child to the assessment in the first place. THen, the report should be written to explain what the test findings mean relative to the child's functioning in school. THen, the professional should be available (even if at an appropriate fee) for parent/school conferneces and IEP meetings(if you call them IEPs in Florida). I'm sorry that Dr. Hall did not explain things to you for you to understand COMPLETELY and that his report was not written for the school to understand.

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:25:32 AM)
Where I am confused Dr. J. is that even when I homeschooled him for 5 years and there was not any distractions I could not really maintain his focus.........but of course I am not trained in that area. I guess I need to do more testing to determine exactly what kind of processing he has problems with. He seems to retain information somehow because he has a verbal and math I.Q of 131. That is what is so confusing???????

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:26:39 AM)
peggy: what were the tests your son did poorly on? i also have a bright bunch of kids, and they seem to find other ways of compensating for the things they have trouble with. most ppl would not suspect they have any auditory problems at all.

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:27:32 AM)
Peggy, what I get from what you are writing is that you still don't understand WHAT is the underlying factor or factors accounting for his problems focusing and (from earlier what you wrote) completing assignments in school.

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:29:21 AM)
My son has a severe struggle getting information from his brain to paper or even verbally expression explaining a book. It is exremely difficult to get him to do his work because of this and the frustration he feels with it. I'll look up the report and tell you exactly what in a second

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:29:29 AM)
Peggy, you may not need more testing. What you may need is for a more integrative analysis of the tests already completed. For example, I have had a number of parents and school districts hire me to review (indepentent assessment) all of the data and tests to date to provide my professional insights and interpretations regarding what they mean and what I see as the underlying issues/factors and whether further testing is needed and which testing may be appropriate. Often just a different approach to the data already collected can provide the insights needed.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:30:30 AM)
peggy: i agree w/ dr j's statement that the test results need to be presented to you in such a way that you can understand what the problems are, and what needs to be done for him at school. it would be perfectly appropriate for you to set up either a telephone or face to face meeting w/dr. hall to discuss you son's case further.

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:30:36 AM)
Peggy, what I hear you saying is he is having problems getting the information OUT. THis would NOT be an auditory processing problem, although it is a processing problem. THe traditional view of auditory processing is a problem using auditory information (input only). However......

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:31:42 AM)
However, many children have problems getting it out because they can't deal with getting it in or what gets in is distorted. THese factors need to be considered in analyzing and reviewing the APD and other test data (at least I feel these are important for the professional to do).

songoheart (ID=3) (Jun 5, 2001 9:33:02 AM)
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Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:33:12 AM)
hi songoheart. welcome to the chat

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:34:00 AM)
GOod morning songoheart......how are you this morning.

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:34:08 AM)
It sounds like I definately need more testing. He obviously to all has a difficult time understanding what he is told to do in any aspect of life, and carrying out what he is supposed to do to the point he say you never tild me to do that. And he can never start a project with out details written. Can you tell I'mm confused

songoheart (ID=3) (Jun 5, 2001 9:34:31 AM)
Hi Marge, thank you. This is the first time I have been able to "attend" the chat. I was hoping to just listen in.

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:34:41 AM)
Hi songoheart, welcome

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:35:20 AM)
It is my 1st time too

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:35:50 AM)
peggy: just for grins, if youhappen to have his test info in front of you, could you look tell us what his SRT (speech reception threshold) and speech discrimination (or word recognition) scores are?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:37:03 AM)
peggy: but if all the details are written, then he can carry out the instructions just fine?

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:37:22 AM)
Sorry, I had a quite "stop : to do....

songoheart (ID=3) (Jun 5, 2001 9:37:36 AM)
I have to tell you. The list has been a huge blessing and help for me. It has really pointed me in the right direction. Thank you for this support. By the way, the simulation is eye opening. I've been telling everyone about it. Thank you.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:38:32 AM)
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eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:38:42 AM)
Good morning

songoheart (ID=3) (Jun 5, 2001 9:38:53 AM)
Good morning, eaa

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:38:56 AM)
I hope you are supporting the NCAPD and have become a member of the NCAPD, songoheart and that you might be able to come to our first annual COnference in Orlando this August. Bring the family and visit Mickey World (or as you all call it Disney WOrld).

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:39:05 AM)
welcome eaa! (you wouldn't be affiliated with the Experimental Aircraft Association in Oshkosh, Wis, would you?)

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:39:13 AM)
Good morning EAA are you from the Educational AUdiollogy Assoc.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:39:15 AM)
Nah, I'm Eugenie

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:39:20 AM)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:39:40 AM)
Marge, thanks for your awesome e-mail the other day

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:39:42 AM)
looks like dr j & I both belong to the AA... Acronyms Anonymous!!

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:39:51 AM)
eaa: thanks!

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:40:25 AM)
We've just started our audio-books in the car "treatment"

songoheart (ID=3) (Jun 5, 2001 9:40:34 AM)
I am going to join, but attending the conference will not be possible.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:40:47 AM)
And yes, I will come to the Orlando conference

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:41:05 AM)
Eugenie A.A. (not of the 12 step A.A.s) but middle initial last name I presume....or is it Dr. Livingston I presume ;-)

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:41:14 AM)
eaa: whew, listening to audio books in the car... could be rough!

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:41:36 AM)
eugenie amaltifano... am guessing her middle name is "arielle"

songoheart (ID=3) (Jun 5, 2001 9:41:40 AM)
I have to get back to work. Am working at home today, but hope to chat again. Again, THANK YOU for this support.

songoheart (ID=3) (Jun 5, 2001 9:41:50 AM)
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Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:41:52 AM)
have a great day, song

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:41:55 AM)
oops, too late

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:42:01 AM)
Actually, it's great. I change the balance a little so April gets more sound on her side

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:42:08 AM)
Thank you all I have to go anyway my son is finishing a project as we speak and I have to get him to school. Hope to talk soon may God bless you all

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:42:13 AM)
Well, Eugenie, I have to say from a long time supporter and user of audiobooks, they are a great way for a child to get the information from a books so long as (as Marge put it) there are no auditory processing problems.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:42:33 AM)
dr j: i mentioned in an email to eugenie that my kids have gotten a lot of enjoyment from listening to my husband read books aloud

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:42:39 AM)
God bless you and your son and family as well Peggy. Please feel free to keep in touch.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:42:42 AM)
Dr. J, what we do is stop the tape every couple paragraphs to talk about what's happening

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:42:55 AM)
And it's great "noise desensitization therapy"

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:04 AM)
You get all the noise you want from the road

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:06 AM)
eaa: great idea re: stopping the tape to ask comprehension questions

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:10 AM)
Y'know, Marge. That's probably better than buying those books on tape for the kids.

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:17 AM)
I can't find the report even though I have the file right in front of me hopefully next time Thanks

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:19 AM)
I get them out of the library

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:37 AM)
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eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:43 AM)
We started with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang narrated by Hermione Gingold

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:45 AM)
dr j: yeah, there's all kinds of benefits that accrue to having a parent read aloud. but books on tape sure are convenient.

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:49 AM)
That's great EAA about stopping the tape. THus, you can use a natural setting to work on discussion, comprehension, etc.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:43:49 AM)
welcome jb

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:44:19 AM)
We had so much fun with it yesterday, plus its a great vocabulary builder

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:44:26 AM)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:44:31 AM)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:44:42 AM)
What is your icon, a jelly sandwich?

dr.j (ID=2) (Jun 5, 2001 9:44:56 AM)
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jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:01 AM)
hi, no a hackey stick and puck. Go Devils

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:07 AM)

Peggy (ID=0) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:09 AM)
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jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:12 AM)
that was hockey

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:14 AM)
dr j: i have no way of knowing whether reading aloud to the kids did anything for their auditory processing, but i will say that after a year of listening to my husband read aloud from the Redwall series, their SCAN-C scores went up into the normal range from the 5th-9th %ile

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:21 AM)
<-- i'm a nut ;-)

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:37 AM)
got it

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:38 AM)
jb : the way i play it, it would definitely be hackey ;-)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:45 AM)
Cute! I just took pot luck on the icon

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:47 AM)

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:45:51 AM)
oops, looks like dr j got disconnected by the room again

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:46:11 AM)
eaa: if you want to change it, click on settings, then scroll across the icons at the bottom of the page

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:46:33 AM)
this is my first time on with dr.j

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:46:55 AM)
What I like about the tapes as opposed to me reading is that the tapes are not discriminating for the child. When I read aloud to April, i change my voice and tempo to make sure she gets every word. So I defeat my own purpose.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:46:56 AM)
jb: as soon as he gets back, i'm sure you'll enjoy chatting with him.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:46:59 AM)
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Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:47:05 AM)
eaa: good point

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:47:13 AM)
wb dr j... got disconnected again?

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:47:27 AM)
Sorry, those gremlins caught me again.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:47:37 AM)
Hi Dr J

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:47:44 AM)
my daughters evaluation for kindergarten is just about done. just one more part of the CTOPPS test today. Hi dr. j

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:47:45 AM)
<--- hands dr. j a spray can of "Gremlin-B-Gon"

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:48:17 AM)
EAA I was going to ask, how are the kids doing with the books on tape in the car, esp with Herminoe GIngold as the speaker?

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:48:43 AM)
<----sprays and hopes ..... wow, look the weeds are all gone from my lawn. ;-)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:49:08 AM)
Well, we just started yesterday, but it's great. Hermione uses lots of different accents. For example, she said actually "rice track" , but April knew from the context that must have been race track.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:49:14 AM)
Hi jb <----ducks before being hit by a hockey puck ;-)

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 9:49:30 AM)
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dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:49:54 AM)
THat's great. April is really putting active listening and excellent decoding and integration at the word level together for that.

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:49:57 AM)
dr.j, i have a 5 yr old daughter who is beleived to have capd based on the TAPS, SCAN-C. She is currently doing very poorly on the CTOPPS test as well. Going to kindergarten in the fall. Her biggest problem is word finding. Have you seen this in a prescholler related to capd?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:50:07 AM)
welcome babs

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:50:07 AM)
Because April knows I am going to stop the tape every so often, I think she is really trying hard to listen.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 9:50:24 AM)
good morning everyone

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:50:30 AM)
he babs

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:50:51 AM)
that was hi, excuse my typing

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:51:00 AM)
There are some words that I know she can't possibly understand, like "boa constrictor horn." She has never seen one. But I asked her to call stop whenever she doesn't understand.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:51:04 AM)
jb, the TAPS is NOT in any way shape or form a test of auditory processing regardless of what is its name. Yes, as you stated she is BELIEVED to have APD but you don't have an appropriate assessment at this time, right?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:51:24 AM)
babs: if you'd like to customize your onscreen icon, click on settings, then scroll across the bottom of the page :-)

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:51:36 AM)
Not with an audiologist. Just the SLP's

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:52:08 AM)
I am told she is too young for the audiological testing for apd

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:52:32 AM)
jb, word finding can be due to a number of different factors with auditory processing being one possible factor....but APD is NOT the only factor accounting for problems with word finding, problems on the TAPS and problems on the SCAN-C. ALso....

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:52:49 AM)
Marge, Dr J was out of the room when you mentioned your children doubled their SCAN-C scores after a year of REDWALL.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:52:51 AM)
jb: but she is NOT too young for a good, solid hearing test

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:52:53 AM)
jb, rarely are there SLPs who have the appropriate and proper tools for assessing APD>

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:53:31 AM)
eaa: not doubled... went from 5th-9th %ile to 95th %ile... but the reading aloud may have had only a little to do with it. this was not a controlled study. could be coincidence

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:53:41 AM)
She had a good hearing test with an audiologist. Whar kind of tools dr.j? At what age could they use them?

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:53:43 AM)
jb, NO she is too young to be evaluated for APD by the audiologist or the SLP with whom you have talked. I routinely see children of 4 and 5 years of age for APD assessments.

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:54:14 AM)
What do they do in these assessments?

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:55:01 AM)
Sorry I missed the numbers. And of course it could be coincidence, but I doubt it's altogether coincidence.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:55:11 AM)
Marge when you say "doubled their SCAN-C scores" what do you mean. THey doubled their raw test scores? Because you can't double standard deviations (really) or percentile scores or standard scores and make that a meaning ful statement.

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 9:55:14 AM)
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jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:55:18 AM)
What tests should be done at the age of 5?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 9:55:41 AM)

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:55:42 AM)
jb when you ask what do THEY do in THESE assessments.....what do you mean by THEY and THESE?

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:55:47 AM)
GOod morning Cindy

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 9:56:01 AM)
good morning.

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:56:25 AM)
When you said you routinely see children aged 4 and 5 for APD assessments. What do children this age have for APD assessment?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 9:56:26 AM)
I haven't been here in a while but I am having some problems with my son. I could sure use some advice

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:56:52 AM)
Dr. J, that was me getting Marge's math wrong. Her kids went from 5-9th %tile to 95 %tile after a year of being read to.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:56:59 AM)
jb, it's not what tests should be done. It's WHO should be assessing auditory processing in your child at age 5 years. The answer is someone who truly understand auditory processing and auditory processing development. THen that person can tell you what THEY need in order to assess auditory processing abilities in a child of 5 years of age.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:57:33 AM)
dr j: i didnot say that they doubled their scan-c scores, nor their raw scores. i said that they went from 5th to 9th percentile on auditory figure ground and filtered words to up around the 95th percentile in one year's time. but there are a number of explanations for the improvement, including: becoming more comfortable with the test, poor test-retest reliability in the scan-c, and a few other things.

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 9:57:40 AM)
How do I find this person? I thought I had one.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:57:55 AM)
THat makes sense. THat's a great realy great improvement from about 2 standard deviations BELOW the mean to about 2 standard deviations above the mean. Great improvements.

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 9:58:24 AM)
My son is 10 years old. he has been doing really well with his capd, until a month or so ago, when our state, mass. did mcas testing. and he was forced to take those tests. now he seems to be suffering from such awful anxiety, about everything. he is even wetting the bed occasionally, he hasn't done that since he was 4

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 9:58:36 AM)
welcome cindy! if you'd like to customize your onscreen icon, you can click on "settings", then choose from the row at the bottom

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 9:58:42 AM)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 9:59:55 AM)
Marge, my theory is: practice makes a tough task easier. If we can get our kids to practice unwittingly by doing something fun, it's just common sense that they'll get better at it.

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 10:00:10 AM)
then jb, when you find a professional whom you feel provides good responses with which you are comfortable, you go to that professional. Now, if that professional is TOO far to see, then, perhaps, you can get the testing done locally and have the professional come in as a consultant reviewing and analyzing the test information and providing the analysis and assessment and report.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:00:53 AM)
eaa: yes! :-)

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 10:01:01 AM)
Okay, but what sort of testing is done for a 5 year old. dr.j?

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 10:01:26 AM)
EAA, that is very true. ALl of the research shows that even adults given standardized tests (like the GREs for graduate school) do better merely having taking the test or a practice test prior to the real test.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:02:10 AM)
dr j: wouldn't it be great if there were a way to make taking the GRE fun?? ;-)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:02:22 AM)
I have a very funny feeling that with all the speech therapy, audio books, just paying more attention to my daughter, etc etc. -- she'll probably ace her CAPD tests next year if she does them again. BUT -- that doesn't mean she doesn't still have APD. It will always be a little harder for her than for other kids. But it might go from grueling to just a little harder...

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:02:49 AM)
eaa: i'll drink to that! (hoisting coffee mug high)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:03:08 AM)
Marge, I want to have coffe with you in person some day!

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 10:03:11 AM)
jb, I can't answer in general since there is NO general protocol to ANY testing for APD. However, in my practice I look at the areas of auditory processing for a child of 5 years old just as I look at the areas of auditory processing for a 50 year old adult or a 10 or 15 year old person. THen, I find specific tests with norms for 5 year old kids. I also do a number of auditory processing tasks that may not have norms for kids 5 years old, but I look to see how the child handles the tasks.....

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:03:39 AM)
Marge did u see my question? j/w

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 10:03:44 AM)
ALso, I have the parents IN THE TEST ROOM with me and with the child to observe and see how the child is handling the test tasks so the parent can gain insights and better understanding.......

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:03:56 AM)
eaa: likewise! wish i could get to orlando, but that is after the school yr starts and i just don't see a way of pulling it off economically.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:04:07 AM)
cindy: nope sorry i didn't i will scroll up & find it

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:04:17 AM)

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 10:04:31 AM)
and these are audiological tests? with headphones?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:04:42 AM)
cindy: ok, you commented that your son is totally stressed out by some tests he's taken?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:05:00 AM)
right. I don't know what to do for the poor kid

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:05:14 AM)
they took him off his iep and put him on a 504

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:05:26 AM)
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Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:05:32 AM)
cindy: my kids get anxious about tests sometimes, but not nearly to this degree, so i'm afraid i don't have any practical insights to share w/you

jb (ID=5) (Jun 5, 2001 10:05:33 AM)
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jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:05:46 AM)
darn gremlins!

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 10:05:47 AM)
I look at basic hearing (of course to rule out a hearing loss). Understanidng of speech out of context, discriminiation of words (phonemes/speech sounds), listening in noise for words with no linguistic cues, with visual cues, with linguistic cues....for the cues that may help a child understanding speech in noise. I use the SCAN-C since it has norms down to 4 years of age. I use the SSW that has norms for 5 years old age group. I use my own test that was developed with preschoolers and early elementary aged school children. I use some other tests

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:05:49 AM)
I work at the school. I have heard from his reading teacher he is crashing

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:06:11 AM)
Cindy, was it the test that upset him? Or the dread they put in him while preparing for the test?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:06:13 AM)
cindy: have you spoken w/the school counsellors?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:06:47 AM)
jb: and the tests dr j is talking about are done with headphones (or insert earphones) in a soundproof booth using a calibrated audiometer

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 10:06:55 AM)
jb I hope that my explaintion of what I do demonstrates that APD can be assessed in children age 5 years with a LOT of different ways and a lot of different standard tests with 5 year old age norms....Oh, I forgot to include the PSI test as well.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:06:57 AM)
jb: which is why your slp can't help you with this

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:07:11 AM)
yes, I have spoken to everyone. and i actually think it was the test itself he keeps telling me he hated all that writing

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:07:16 AM)
What's PSI, DR J

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:07:34 AM)
Pounds of Pressure per quare Inch?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:07:39 AM)
eaa: hahahahahha!

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:07:51 AM)
now he thinks I will forget him at school, which i never ever would or have. and he cries every sunday night because monday is school

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:08:05 AM)
My husband and I started dating after scuaba lessons...*PSI*

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:08:16 AM)
I think i will have to have him see someone, but i don't know who or where to start

dr.j (ID=6) (Jun 5, 2001 10:08:17 AM)
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Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:08:20 AM)
cindy: have you asked for a referral to the school psychologist?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:08:33 AM)
gremlins got dr j again! aieeee!

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:08:47 AM)
I don't agree with the school psyc.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:08:59 AM)
Does he have dysgraphia?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:00 AM)
what does the school psyc say re; your son's anxiety?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:07 AM)
she's very young, and just says "well what do you want to do?"

dr.j (ID=10) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:15 AM)
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Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:26 AM)
but that doesn't mean she's going to do it

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:31 AM)
<-- hands dr j a spray can of "Extra-

dr.j (ID=10) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:42 AM)
Sorry it's my IPS kicking me off as usual from time to time.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:51 AM)
Strength Gremlin-B-Gon", a rope, 2 pitons, a mallet, and a climbing harness

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:57 AM)
this is where my confusion lies. I have been told repeatedly by SLP's, audiologists that I have contacted throught htis site ect that they would not even consider the testing until she was 6. But, let me ask, since I am new to this APD, if they SUSPECT and BELIEVE that she does have APD and I know they are going to calssify her for kindergarten for special ed help, How much do I have to persue the diagnosis now? I don't know....

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:09:59 AM)
Gotta get Roadrunner...

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:10:29 AM)
eaa: a cable modem is a beautiful thing, eh?

dr.j (ID=10) (Jun 5, 2001 10:10:30 AM)
JB, sorry I can't finish this with you now. I notice the time is almost 10am and I have an appt. at 10:15. I have to go. JB and others, please feel free to contact me further at drj@ncapd.org

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:10:48 AM)
I feel soooooooooo bad for my son. I wish I could do something to relieve his anxiety

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:11:06 AM)
cindy: have you spoken w/his pediatrician? i know they will be familiar w/test anxiety

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:11:36 AM)
Marge: yes. Esp. since I work at home (telecommute to North Carolina) it's a must. My older daughter was able to do realtime distance learning through Stanford with no trouble at all.

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:12:20 AM)
he has an apt. coming up soon. but he is very good at covering things up for everyone else, but me. i get to see the real ryan, everyone else thinks i'm crazy

dr.j (ID=10) (Jun 5, 2001 10:12:23 AM)
BYe for now. and pleaese remember just of this month of JUNE. there will be another parent chat next Tuesday morning from 8:30-10am EST. Keep in touch.....drj@ncapd.org or (202) 237-2927

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:12:38 AM)
bye dr j. glad to see you

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:12:45 AM)
bye dr j

dr.j (ID=10) (Jun 5, 2001 10:12:49 AM)
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eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:12:51 AM)

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:13:05 AM)
cindy: ok... what you do in that case...

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:13:25 AM)
dr.j thatnk you and I will be in contact wiht you!!!!!

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:13:43 AM)
cindy: is you document, day by day, how your son is acting. when he wets the bed, what you go thru to get him to go to school, etc

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:14:19 AM)
cindy: this will show how often and how severe the problems are, and it will help you to stay calm while you discuss it w/the doc. that's good you have an appt w/the pediatrician.

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:14:26 AM)
I will. for some reason. i never thought of that

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:14:49 AM)
i just keep thinking i want to help him. but i think it will be a long road.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:15:30 AM)
cindy: well, don't be too hard on yourself... most of us don't keep a daily diary, or treat our home life as an experiment we're recording the results on.

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:15:53 AM)
he has been climbing into his nintendo lately, not wanting to do anything else. i want to take it away. but he is so good at it and i think it makes him feel good about himself

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:16:00 AM)
i need to go too... our project for the next week is Cleaning the House. Top to Bottom, and getting it all organized.

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:16:01 AM)
Can I ask you all with experience...my daughters evaluation by the Child Study Team is just about done. I know they will calssify her for scpecila ed help.. Any tips as to what to make sure she gets?

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:16:30 AM)
by marge

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:16:35 AM)
I have to go to work. i will talk to you later. ty for all

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:16:36 AM)
Cindy: anxiety or a fear of failure? Either way, speak with the pediatrician but I suggest speaking when your son is not in the vacinity. I would suggest asking for help such as a referral. Be direct. I have a child with severe anxiety (diagnosed age 2) She literally broke down crying during the SCAN-C She knew it was a difficult task and yet was afraid of doing poorly.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:16:37 AM)
cindy: record that too... sounds like he could be retreating to something he can feel mastery & control over. you also might try to encourage him to

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:17:03 AM)
Cindy: Have you spent a day in his classroom?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:17:14 AM)
cindy: get involved in a hobby or non-video activity that he's good at.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:17:15 AM)
Maybe there is something strange going on that he can't verbalize?

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:17:23 AM)
eaa: good point!

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:17:24 AM)
hang in there Cindy

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:17:45 AM)
It could even be another kid that's picking on him, or something scary.

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:17:46 AM)
ty i work at the school thank goodness. so i keep a pretty good eye on him

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:17:46 AM)
babs: i am always VERY tired after going thru the auditory tests... my kids too.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:18:23 AM)
I understand that!

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:18:25 AM)
everyone likes ryan, he's adorable, and a good athlete, so i don't think anyone is picking on him

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:18:26 AM)
babs: never have broke down in tears, but pretty wiped out!

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:18:32 AM)
that is the hardest part of being a parent, seeing kyour child haveing trouble, struggling especiall y emotionally. and not being sure how to help them.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:18:45 AM)
jbb: amen to that!

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:18:45 AM)
but i think he is too hard on himself

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:11 AM)
i have a son like that cindy. he is SOOO hard on himself. Drtives himself to tears.

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:22 AM)
anyway... i do need to scoot... nice to chat w/y'all

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:27 AM)
that can go with anxiety...as well as lots of other stuff. I would lasso that pediatriction

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:28 AM)
Bye Marge

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:30 AM)

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:32 AM)
bye marge

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:32 AM)
have a happy & safe summer

Marge (ID=1) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:38 AM)
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Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:44 AM)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:19:50 AM)
Cindy are you leaving?

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:20:00 AM)
how old is you son cindy?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:20:09 AM)
ryan is 10

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:20:23 AM)
I kept him back in the 2nd grade. he is now in the 3rd

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:20:42 AM)
He has APD?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:20:48 AM)
he is very small. so he looks like he is 8

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:21:07 AM)
yes he was diagnosed with capd at boston childrens a few years ago

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:22:04 AM)
i think that this age is hard for kids. My son has always had anxielt, but it is so much worse lately.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:22:09 AM)
Does he have dysgraphia, cindy?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:22:10 AM)
he was masking pretty well in the beginning of the tests, i could tell the audiologist thought i was crazy, then he couldn't hide it anymore. he did pretty bad on the tests

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:22:13 AM)
What is Redwall? Some one mentioned it early, anyone know?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:22:26 AM)
what is dysgraphia?

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:22:36 AM)
Redwall is a series of books by Brian Jaques, I believe.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:22:54 AM)
Dysgraphia is extreme trouble with handwriting

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:22:58 AM)
specifically for apd?

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:23:03 AM)

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:23:31 AM)
No, they're just great kids books. Marge was saying her children's APD test scores got really better after her husband read to them nightly for about a year.

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:23:34 AM)
he went to ot for a while when he was 8 and he tested on an 11 year level so they dropped him

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:24:12 AM)
okay, thanks, i entered at the end of that conversation, i think

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:24:31 AM)
I was telling everyone that I just started going audio books in the car for my daughter. We stop every few paragraphs to talk about what we've heard.

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:24:38 AM)
cindy, does he get help at school?

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:24:48 AM)
eaa: what a great idea!

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:25:01 AM)
I have to go to work unfortunately. so i have to leave please email me if anyone has any time to talk he gets speech and some reading that's it.

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:25:05 AM)
Thanks! It's tons of fun, plus it's good "noise desensitizaiton therapy"

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:25:12 AM)
bye cindy

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:25:19 AM)
OK, visit us on the CAPD listserv

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:25:19 AM)
ckl117@aol.com if anyone finds the time

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:25:21 AM)
by cindy.....

eaa (ID=4) (Jun 5, 2001 10:25:32 AM)
Bye all, gotta get hback to work myself

Cindy (ID=8) (Jun 5, 2001 10:25:40 AM)

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Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:26:32 AM)
jbb your child has apd?

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:26:52 AM)
she is 5 and they beleive she does. How ild is your child?

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:26:57 AM)

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:27:08 AM)
is he/she diagnosed with APD?

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:27:34 AM)
She's been tested, a few weakness not "diagnosed"

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:27:59 AM)
She has a mild hearing loss in one ear to top it off

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jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:29:41 AM)
gremlins.. this is my confusion. I am told that she cannot be diagnosed until 6. this is waht I was getting into with dr.j...

jbb (ID=9) (Jun 5, 2001 10:29:42 AM)
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jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:30:04 AM)
how old was your child when diagnosed?

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:32:42 AM)
some tests are normed down to 4 and 5 years old. Some non normed materials are available. Specifically SCAN-C, SSW, and PSI

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:33:01 AM)
are normed, sorry, i didn't complete that sentence

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:33:34 AM)
she had the SCAN-C. Did very poorly on this. !% in one area, 9% in another...

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:33:55 AM)
How old was your child when diagnosed....

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:34:16 AM)
my child is 7 she has weakness, not diagnosed

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:35:10 AM)
why not diagnosed? what were the weaknesses? What are they "symptoms" that led you to beleive there was a problem?

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:36:41 AM)
she has difficulty distinguishing phonemes (speech sounds) and trouble with speech in noise spelling is extremely difficult--sound spelling is awful not even close most the time.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:37:54 AM)
Has your daughter had any other tests

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:40:29 AM)
What help does she get at school? Is she calssified for special ed help? She had the CELF- preschool. I am told she did well on this except for the sentence structure(sytax?) part of the test. She did well with expressive vocabulary. Did poorly on the TAPS, the CTOPPS and the SCAN-C. She had audiolosist test her periheral hearing- this was normal except when background noise what introduced.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:43:17 AM)
She receives private therapy. We did not pursue in school due to other difficulties she has

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:43:58 AM)
She didn't have an audiologist perform any other aud. processing tests?

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:44:49 AM)
CTOPPS and TAPS are language oriented, I think thats what Dr. J stated and they are done by a speech-language pathologist

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:46:32 AM)
No. that is my confusion. I have been told that she is too young by SLP's, by audiologists that i contacted through this site. All said they would not do the testing before age 6. Yes that is correct about the CTOPPS and the TAPS. But my problem is what other test should they do? I cannot find an audiologist who will do the test before age 6.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:46:56 AM)
what state?

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:47:09 AM)

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Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:47:51 AM)
Is there a teaching facility, university, nearby that may test for apd? Sometimes they will test younger ages

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:48:00 AM)
Hi amamom

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:48:36 AM)
Amamom: Do you a child with apd?

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:48:45 AM)
hi amamom. The ones i have contacted said no. No university nearby. i am fairly close to NYC.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:49:24 AM)
Hmmm, are there interventions that the slp would be able to do/help you with, prior to diagnosis

amamom (ID=12) (Jun 5, 2001 10:49:41 AM)
My oldest daughter has ADHD, Tourettes Syndrome, CAPD, Processing speed deficit, Comprehension Knowledge deficit, Cognitive ability deficit, fluid reasoning deficit and a few other deficits

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:50:14 AM)
Or maybe a consult with an audiologist for audiological habilitation/therapy to get some tools under your belt

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:51:48 AM)
You did a great job of getting all those down! My child has apd deficits, and mild hearing loss in one ear, and severe emotional problems (anxiety, depression, obsessive complusive disorders...to name a few)

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:51:55 AM)
Yes. She wanted to to Fast ForWord, but she did some preliminaries and saidmy daughter was not ready yet. She is going to try Earobics. She will be in a collaborative kindergarten in the Fall. reg class with a reg teacher and a special ed teacher that comes in part of the day.

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:52:21 AM)
How old is you child amamom.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:52:27 AM)
She is 5 doing earobics?

amamom (ID=12) (Jun 5, 2001 10:52:29 AM)
she is 9 and a half

amamom (ID=12) (Jun 5, 2001 10:52:44 AM)
the school here has been less than helpful

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:52:59 AM)
She is goint to try the Earobics, hanem't yet. I believe you can do earobics at 5, no?

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:53:40 AM)
How so amamom?

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:53:40 AM)
I don't really know. they have a website that i searched, but i don't remember the ages

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:54:41 AM)
processing speed deficit?

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:55:01 AM)
I believe so. Phoneme training is so impoortant., especially in now for my daughter. It can make a difference. we are lucky we know some problems at this young age.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:55:24 AM)
I agree

jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:56:07 AM)
What isaudiologic therapy?

amamom (ID=12) (Jun 5, 2001 10:56:19 AM)
they just gave her exceptional student services after knowing for 4 years that she has ADHD (moderate), 2 years that she has Tourettes syndrome, and one year for all of the otehr deficits

amamom (ID=12) (Jun 5, 2001 10:57:48 AM)
her processing speed is on a kindergarten level as so is her fluid reasoning

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:58:58 AM)
some audiologists will provide auditory training including earobics and fast forward, some will provide additional information about apd and techniques to help you help her...some will do other stuff, you just have to keep asking questions. educational audiologists are a good resource if there are any in your school system or maybe on the outside...

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:59:24 AM)
good chatting with you both, gotta go.

Babs (ID=7) (Jun 5, 2001 10:59:45 AM)
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jb (ID=11) (Jun 5, 2001 10:59:46 AM)
by babs, thanks for the chat.

amamom (ID=12) (Jun 5, 2001 11:01:18 AM)
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