Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:15:05 PM)
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Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:15:45 PM)
Hi Debbie
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:16:58 PM)
hi Julies' mom
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:17:50 PM)
I'm helping someone get in the chat....if I dont answer right away..be patient!
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:19:58 PM)
how are you doing tonight?
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:21:55 PM)
sorry.... double tasking myself........lol
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:22:12 PM)
Not bad... a little stirred up after my school meeting today...
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:22:13 PM)
I can understand that! So how are you tonight?
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:22:15 PM)
How are you?
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:22:20 PM)
What happened at school?
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:23:21 PM)
First meeting with sp ed teacher....meetings concerning IEP and IPRC....
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:23:30 PM)
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debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:23:41 PM)
and I take it that the meeting did not go well?
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:23:49 PM)
hey Carol! how are you tonight?
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:23:51 PM)
He want to 'disregaurd her CAP result and just label her as LD...
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:23:55 PM)
Ok, thanks
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:24:23 PM)
Hi Carol
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:24:34 PM)
Hello again, Julies Mom
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:24:35 PM)
what was the final result?
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:25:55 PM)
Well... it was just an informal meeting... will be have IEP meeting soon..... But I made it clear that I didn't want them to just let her slide through that I would like to see them try to bring her up to grade average.
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:27:03 PM)
and what was their response?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:27:12 PM)
Debbie, I met with Krystie's next year's teacher. I brought papers with me about CAPD and one was the 6 catagories. She was wondering what category affects processing from paper, like in a speed test. She doesn't believe in speed tests, which is good.
Peggy (ID=188) (May 15, 2001 8:27:44 PM)
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debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:27:45 PM)
brb little one is crying
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:27:49 PM)
Hi Peggy
Peggy (ID=188) (May 15, 2001 8:27:53 PM)
Hi Everyone!
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:28:08 PM)
He said he would 'put' it in the iep and iprc .... said he didn't know where to put it as a LD.....
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:28:17 PM)
Hi Peggy!
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:30:31 PM)
Julies mom, don't they have to accept diagnosis and recommendations from professionals?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:30:31 PM)
BRB
Peggy (ID=188) (May 15, 2001 8:30:33 PM)
? ... I think I'm doing FFWD this summer with my son... Anyone here gone through it yet?
Peggy (ID=188) (May 15, 2001 8:30:33 PM)
I am afaid of the cost and it not working!!!
Peggy (ID=188) (May 15, 2001 8:30:33 PM)
System seems slow tonight.
Peggy (ID=188) (May 15, 2001 8:30:33 PM)
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Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:30:33 PM)
If I continue with the iep and iprc before she has more testing done, does it mean that I can't change the plan or request special equipment? ie FM system.....
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:30:35 PM)
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geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 8:32:07 PM)
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Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:32:12 PM)
Debbie, I want to do Fast Forword with Jonathan, but I'm scared of the cost and it not working... Have you only heard good about it? I know you and Sarah did it. Would you do it again?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:32:16 PM)
Julies mom, as far as I know, every time a new test is done, the section 504 can be altered, I don't have an IEP so dont' know about it but think it should be modified with new testing
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:32:21 PM)
Hi geri
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:32:26 PM)
According to regulations I can't change the iprc for 3 months afterwards...
geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 8:32:49 PM)
hi
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:32:56 PM)
So once you sign the IEP, it's possible it stays that way for 3 months?
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:33:02 PM)
Hi geri
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:33:30 PM)
No... the iep can be changed.... but not the iprc
geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 8:33:39 PM)
this is my 1st time in the chat
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:33:42 PM)
That's something, then.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:33:48 PM)
Welcome to you then, geri
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:33:54 PM)
I live in Canada so things could be different from the U.S.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:33:58 PM)
Do you have a child with APD
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:34:06 PM)
Possible, Julies mom
geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 8:34:27 PM)
thankyou--Yes my son was diagnosed last summer
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:34:44 PM)
My daughter doesn't test until July
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:35:07 PM)
But all the slp's (3) and psychologists (3) agree it is APD
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:35:31 PM)
Anyone do FastForword here?
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:35:50 PM)
No....but I didn't hear great things about it.....
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:36:01 PM)
Not here either.
geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 8:36:21 PM)
What is FastForward?
Julies Mom (ID=186) (May 15, 2001 8:37:09 PM)
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Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:37:46 PM)
FastForward is a computers based remedial program for Language/reading delayed children/adults. check out scientificlearning.com.
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:37:57 PM)
or brainconnection.com.
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:38:56 PM)
I know Debbie and Sarah have been through the program, I'm just getting scared now that I have to put up the money. It will cost $2200.
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:39:00 PM)
or so...
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:39:34 PM)
BRB
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:39:50 PM)
Its a lot of money, but if it helps, its worth it....
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:40:05 PM)
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Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:40:30 PM)
Hi NJ
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:40:46 PM)
Hi Peggy
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:41:41 PM)
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nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:41:41 PM)
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nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:41:43 PM)
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nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:41:43 PM)
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nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:41:45 PM)
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nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:41:45 PM)
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Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:42:07 PM)
Where are you from NJ?
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:42:33 PM)
from Buffalo, NY. This is my first time on in a very long time.
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:42:48 PM)
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Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:43:16 PM)
Have you tried FastForword?
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:43:27 PM)
Hi Joannemm99.
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:43:31 PM)
hi everyone
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:43:55 PM)
what is fast forward
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:44:01 PM)
my daughter has CAPD and I've just bought the Earobics program. They've been using it in school. We've recently moved and I'm very happy with the school district. We did Fast Forward 2 years ago. I think it helped but it was very expensive
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:44:34 PM)
A computers based remedial program for Language/reading/apd children/adults.
shari (ID=193) (May 15, 2001 8:44:36 PM)
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Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:44:51 PM)
NJ, was it worth the cost?
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:45:03 PM)
Did it help? Did you do it at home?
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:45:05 PM)
ok i've read some info on it
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:45:18 PM)
I'm ready to do it, just scared of the cost and commitment!!!
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:45:29 PM)
hi..im back! Welcome to everyone who's joined in the chat
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:45:37 PM)
Hi Debbie.
geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 8:45:49 PM)
what is theEarobics program NJ
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:45:53 PM)
It was but I wish I could have used it a lot longer than I did. Maybe the benefits would have been better. I think consistency helps alot.
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:45:54 PM)
hi Peggy. I dont have any regrets of doing FFW at all
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:45:54 PM)
hoe old are your children? my son is now 14
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:46:08 PM)
Thank you Debbie!!! :)
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:46:26 PM)
I'm just getting scared at this point. The cost and commitment are a lot!!!
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:46:49 PM)
I just hope it will help! Its a lot of money and time to invest.
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:47:21 PM)
It is a big committment and can be very demanding Peggy..but with Sarah we did see improvement. We also started using the FM at the same time, so I can not say it was due to one or the other....I think it was the combination
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:47:37 PM)
I want to help him and I want him to have a fun summer!!! Not work all summer long.
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:48:06 PM)
I think it would have helped if the insurance would have paid for some of the program. Don't get me wrong, I think the sacrifice was well worth it but my daughter used it over the summer and I think if we would have been using it right along it would have been much more beneficial.
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:48:07 PM)
I wish there was some kind of gaurentee!!!
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:49:01 PM)
Peggy..ask the SLP you are working with WHY she thinks it would benefit your child
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:49:47 PM)
I don't think I could do it any other time but summer. School/homework take up enough time. I will ask that of her Debbie! Thanks!
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:50:16 PM)
I did FFW during the school yer in the middle of soccer season..it was nuts! I would do it over summer!
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:50:33 PM)
It stinks that some school districts in the area have FF, mine doesn't.
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:51:11 PM)
hwen my son was diagnosed, my school district never heard of CAPD
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:51:29 PM)
The SLP said we will probably do 8 weeks.
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:51:35 PM)
My son was the first in the elementary and the first in the high school
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:51:45 PM)
8 weeks in the standard amount and "goal"
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:52:08 PM)
They never mentioned ff even now
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:52:26 PM)
What age kids use FF?
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:52:32 PM)
My school does not use FFW at all either
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:53:00 PM)
I am probably going to just do it. I am just getting nervous about the cost and time commitment. It is something I have to try to help him though I guess. If I didn't try it, I would probably regret it later...
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 8:53:02 PM)
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Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:53:08 PM)
Hi martha
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:53:10 PM)
Mine doesn't either. I heard about it through the Hearing and Speech Center
geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 8:53:16 PM)
Its the first that I've heard of Ff
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 8:53:28 PM)
hi
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:53:43 PM)
hi martha
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:53:51 PM)
hi Martha
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 8:54:01 PM)
hi to all
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:54:07 PM)
hi martha
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:54:14 PM)
I found out the Phila School District is using it and they have seen good results. Not all kids benifit though.
geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 8:54:32 PM)
What are the ages of the children using the program?My son is 10
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 8:54:53 PM)
what are we talking about ??
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:54:54 PM)
my daughter used it when she was 9
Kim (ID=195) (May 15, 2001 8:54:57 PM)
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joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 8:55:05 PM)
hi
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 8:55:05 PM)
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Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:55:08 PM)
Is it tried on any APD kid or is there a test that determines the best candidate or is it problems in school that suggest it's use?
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:55:09 PM)
My son is 8. Any age can use the program.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:55:17 PM)
Hi Kim and jb
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:55:25 PM)
Peggy..that is why you want to ask WHY they think your child will benefit.....
Kim (ID=195) (May 15, 2001 8:55:37 PM)
Hi All
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 8:55:38 PM)
hi carol
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:56:05 PM)
OK... I will ask them why they think he will benifit...
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 8:56:12 PM)
BRB, again
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:56:18 PM)
I'll let you know what they say.
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 8:57:00 PM)
Debbie, how long did you use Fast Forward
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:57:01 PM)
Martha, we are talking about FFW Fast ForWord.
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 8:57:45 PM)
oh, how well does it work?
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 8:58:00 PM)
my daughter's slp wants her to have the Fast ForWord program this summer, so i am interested on thoughts on this program
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 8:58:44 PM)
any one have any experience with Fast ForWord on a child as young as 5?
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 8:59:18 PM)
we used it for about 8 weeks
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 8:59:42 PM)
My son is 8 and we are going to try it this summer. I'm a little afraid of the cost and commitment. I'm going to talk with the SLP again.
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 8:59:45 PM)
did it help?
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:00:00 PM)
I read about fast forword but I have not talked with anyone that used it.
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 9:00:28 PM)
i have a question. would the school district give you a copy of it . are they books , tapes computer disks.or the special education unit in your district may be of some help
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:00:41 PM)
yes it did..but as i said a bit ago...we did FFW at the same time that we started using the FM unit
geri (ID=190) (May 15, 2001 9:01:11 PM)
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joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 9:01:53 PM)
what is fast forward exactly
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:02:20 PM)
Oh. Everything i have read about FF is mixed reviews. I am a little hesitant at times for my daughter to do it. She is only 5. But then I read something about how beneficial it can be, it is hard to decide.
shari (ID=193) (May 15, 2001 9:02:41 PM)
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jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:02:51 PM)
FF slows down the sounds in word. Phoneme processing,
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 9:02:52 PM)
I agree jb...
joannemm99 (ID=192) (May 15, 2001 9:03:10 PM)
is it a machine
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:03:23 PM)
phoneme processing is the BIG thing in reading, a very important skill.
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:03:38 PM)
Can it help a child at 11?
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:04:10 PM)
they say the program is for 4-12 yr olds.
Peggy (ID=189) (May 15, 2001 9:04:37 PM)
They have a program for mid/high school and adults too.
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:04:54 PM)
I have had trouble locating information on independant studies, which you would like to see done.
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:05:09 PM)
it is so hard to know which path to take. yes
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:06:36 PM)
I want my daughter to have phomene training, i believe her testing will show that she needs that. FF does phoneme training, that is why I lean towards trying it when my daughter is ready.
nj (ID=191) (May 15, 2001 9:06:49 PM)
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jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:07:38 PM)
martha, i believe it was you i spoke to 2 wks ago, about my daughter having the SCAN test?
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:08:35 PM)
She is 5, I wasn't sure which test they did. Do you remember? it was the SCAN test that the slp did. She did extemely poor on this.
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:09:06 PM)
maybe-f
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:09:59 PM)
sorry but I did some yard work today and my back is killing me
Kim (ID=195) (May 15, 2001 9:10:28 PM)
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jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:10:48 PM)
I am interested in asking again if anyone's child has had problems with word finding? That is my daughters biggest problem so far. Anyone?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:11:36 PM)
Sorry jb, that isn't one of Krystie's problems
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:12:17 PM)
what do you mean by word finding?
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:12:35 PM)
I have not come across anyone else who has said that their child with APD has this problem.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:12:53 PM)
This is when she can't find a word to use when speaking, right?:
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:13:06 PM)
She cannot say the word for something she knows, like her age. She hold up 5 finger.
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:13:16 PM)
yup
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:13:56 PM)
I am just learning about Capd. No Haley never had that problem.
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:14:08 PM)
i know it has something to do with APD, It is her biggest problem.
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:15:07 PM)
How old are your kids with APD? I once read that it is the most concering symptom in preschoolers.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:15:50 PM)
Krystie, suspected of having APD is 7 but my 6 year old still does it and always did it that I can remember. I've been told it's normal for her age.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:16:32 PM)
Really don't want to consider that my youngest might need to be tested. Having all kinds of problems with her with words and letters that I never had with Krystie.
jb (ID=196) (May 15, 2001 9:16:34 PM)
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jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:16:38 PM)
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Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:16:50 PM)
Hi jbb, chat gremlins?
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:17:18 PM)
those gremlins always get me and throw me off.
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:17:29 PM)
i was jb, now i am jbb
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:17:34 PM)
I know, I'm usually the target, not tonight, though
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:18:17 PM)
has anyone done th e chat with Dr.J?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:18:28 PM)
I was on this morning.
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:18:45 PM)
Was it informative?
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:19:12 PM)
I would like to ask him my word finding question
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:19:16 PM)
I love it, he answers so many questions. I try to make it every Tues. he's here but my schedule is so busy!
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:19:37 PM)
yea, i worked today so i missed it.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:19:44 PM)
Somewhere on Debbie's sight is his e-mail. I'll bet he'll answer your questions.
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:20:01 PM)
good idea, iwill try that.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:20:01 PM)
The other place I ask a lot of things is on the Maelstrom listserv
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:20:27 PM)
I am not familiar with that?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:20:29 PM)
Everyone on the ListServ is so helpful
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:20:46 PM)
Wait a sec, I'll get the address
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:21:13 PM)
I'm on the wrong screen name
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:21:25 PM)
Its on the bottom
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:21:56 PM)
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?SUBED1=capd&A;=1
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:22:44 PM)
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Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:22:47 PM)
I think you can go to http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu and get into the capd area from there
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:22:51 PM)
Hi Diane
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:23:04 PM)
Hi Carol :)
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:23:20 PM)
thanks carol
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:23:26 PM)
hi Diane
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:23:36 PM)
thanks carol
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:23:38 PM)
Hi jbb :)
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:23:50 PM)
Once you join, anything that is written through the ListServ gets sent to you so you could get many e-mails in one day
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:24:23 PM)
Also, any question that you have gets many responses which I find great
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:24:35 PM)
You're very welcome
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:24:41 PM)
sounds good
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:24:58 PM)
Does anyone have homework modifications for their child in their IEP or 504?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:25:23 PM)
I plan on getting it for next year, as this year was a disaster
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:25:34 PM)
I only get the 504
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:25:49 PM)
homework took us 21/2 hours tonight :(
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:25:58 PM)
my daughter is in preschool, she will start kindergarten in the fall. She is currently being evaluated by the CST.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:26:10 PM)
I feel for you, Diane, ours was a little over an hour tonight
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:26:19 PM)
yikes
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:26:21 PM)
he's in 3rd grade for crying out loud :(
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:26:37 PM)
I've started doing some of it for her now. 2nd grade here
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:26:37 PM)
that is ridiculous
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:26:49 PM)
that is way too much
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:27:00 PM)
I have to walk him through 99%
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:27:08 PM)
I don't think it's too much for the normal processing kid but for mine it goes on forever
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:27:16 PM)
Me too Diane
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:27:18 PM)
just to prevent meltdown
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:27:37 PM)
yup and that's why I've taken over on the multiple choice or map things.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:27:51 PM)
I know she knows it and that's the only time I will step in
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:27:55 PM)
Carol so do i
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:28:14 PM)
that is too much stressfor a kid, to have to sit that long AFTER school when he should be out playing, being a kid
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:28:15 PM)
She's not like the other kids and I don't think should be treated like them
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:28:51 PM)
I agree but also think of all the effort he and she have to expend to complete their daily assignments in school then again after school?
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:28:52 PM)
it all depends on the teacher
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:29:00 PM)
same with Jake, jbb it's even harder with it being light out at 8:30 -9:00
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:29:14 PM)
That's true Martha, but they base it on the general population of kids
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:29:26 PM)
He has so much written spelling
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:29:41 PM)
10 word 4 times each, her
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:29:43 PM)
here
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:29:51 PM)
15 4x
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:29:57 PM)
they should absolutely have modifications.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:30:29 PM)
It's at the top of my list for next years IEP
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:30:48 PM)
Worse still is she doesn't get any spelled wrong on tests but the teacher has been marking words wrong because she erases or capitalizes or just doesn't write neat. It breaks my heart that it hurts her so much
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:31:28 PM)
i once read that you wouldn't ask a child you was blind to read from the blackboard like the rest of the kids, so shy would you ask a kid with LD to do the same as kids without LD?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:31:50 PM)
I can't get any curriculum modifications until we get the APD diagnosis and they've let me know that I'm lucky to have the room accomodations based on the slp recommendations.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:31:51 PM)
Carol Jake really struggles with writing we can go through spelling words twice verballly and he has 99% right
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:31:57 PM)
can you talk to that teacher Carol?
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:31:57 PM)
So many teachers don't want to do the modifications since it takes up too much of their time
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:32:27 PM)
IS your daughter classified?
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:32:48 PM)
Thanks to this chat and the listserv next years IEP is gonna be real different
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:33:08 PM)
same here-Haley can do well with me and then miss them.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:33:09 PM)
I ha ve been told that I should be thankful she carries the A average in spelling and that her marking these things wrong will teach Krystie to change that behavior. I told her I was just watching out for her mental health. NOthing got accomplished
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:33:16 PM)
my son is jbb he is dyslexic as well as APD
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:33:38 PM)
What does classified mean?
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:34:09 PM)
to have an IEP they have to be classified
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:34:37 PM)
I think thats right
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:34:53 PM)
She does find but the last spelling tests have been words that sound alike and she did horrible.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:34:55 PM)
No, as it stands now, all tests were above average so she doesn't qualify for the IEP and all the tests also show weakness in audiological areas so point to APD
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:35:01 PM)
When the cst evaluates them, if the child qualifies for special education they have to classify them into a category. My daughter is "preschool handicapped"
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:35:15 PM)
Jakes classification is "other LD"
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:35:34 PM)
They don't even classify her as LD
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:36:15 PM)
Her grades are very good and only slide when the speed tests are introduced. But I know this teacher spends a lot of time attracting her attention and keeping it.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:36:45 PM)
speed tests are a nightmare here he just freezes
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:37:05 PM)
that is the probelm, I read something about how you can get the special ed help when your child has APD but doesn't meet the criteria to be classified
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:37:13 PM)
I've been told that she is an average student with learning disabilities and would be gifted without LD's. The SLP at the school said this then I read the I think in pictures paper and it did fit her.
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:37:20 PM)
same here Carol-her test showed a mild capd and she does well in class
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:37:44 PM)
that is garbage, carol
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:38:13 PM)
She freezes too Diane, 14/36 etc. I agree jbb, but couldn't get the appt. with the audiologist for testing until July so have to wait
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:38:38 PM)
You can be very gifted and still have LD. It is about each shild reaching their POTENTIAL. Your child is not reaching hers because of LD.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:38:44 PM)
Carol our appt for officiail dx is in July also
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:38:44 PM)
I tried to make this appointment in January and took July thinking I'd get a cancellation
martha (ID=194) (May 15, 2001 9:38:53 PM)
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Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:38:56 PM)
exactly what I think jbb
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:39:40 PM)
My Jake is definately a visual-spatial thinker
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:39:40 PM)
I don't really think she's gifted. That is genius, right? I don't think that but I do think she is bright and not getting out of school what she could
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:39:43 PM)
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jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:39:57 PM)
darn gremlins
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:40:13 PM)
they get me every time jbb :)
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:40:25 PM)
Hi jbjb, how did you do that? These gremlins are getting very clever
jbb (ID=197) (May 15, 2001 9:40:33 PM)
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Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:40:54 PM)
is debbie here ?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:41:05 PM)
I wonder if Martha left or got taken by gremlins?
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:41:09 PM)
Sorry for missing most of the chat..I've been on the phone with a mom that contacted me about APD
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:41:19 PM)
Oh Hi debbie :)
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:41:25 PM)
You should set up an office, debbie
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:41:26 PM)
you have to have an average or above average IQ and have deviations. Einstein was dyslexic, Thomas Edison,..I
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:41:29 PM)
I just asked about you :)
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:41:33 PM)
Was trying to help her get in the chat and we started talking about her son
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:41:40 PM)
hi saw that Diane! how have you been"
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:41:51 PM)
Oh God, thank God she's in bed and not hearing about LD's in Einstein and Edison
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:42:01 PM)
Good thanks and you ?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:42:11 PM)
why?
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:42:24 PM)
doing pretty good...(hanging in at least)
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:42:25 PM)
Carol that has been a real motivator for jake
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:42:28 PM)
She's quite a character and would be talking about being the next Einstein
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:42:53 PM)
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Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:42:58 PM)
Hi Kim
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:43:12 PM)
LOL Carol Jake always does any biography reports on famous people that have LD's
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:43:17 PM)
Hi again. Had to get the kids to bed.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:43:30 PM)
Hi Kim
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:43:41 PM)
She still talks about being a special needs teacher or doctor to deal with kids like her. That is something to think about too, motivational. I might just mention it to her.
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:43:45 PM)
Hi! What are you talking about?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:43:55 PM)
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Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:44:03 PM)
blab, how are you?
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:44:14 PM)
hey blab, hi Kim
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:44:15 PM)
Do Carol It really helped me explain to Jake about his learning diffs
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:44:23 PM)
Pretty good Hectic week and it is only tues
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:44:25 PM)
Right now talking about LD's in famous people like Einstein and Edison
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:44:27 PM)
Hi blab
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:44:39 PM)
Ah....the geniuses
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:44:45 PM)
Tuesday's are generally very busy for me anyway
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:45:08 PM)
I will bo so glad when school is out so we can breathe
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:45:15 PM)
I read about a Mom whose child did his homework in a different way. She kept telling the school to test him, they said no because he "did well" with A's and B's. SHe finally got a teacher to listen when her son was in like 6th grade. He tested genius but with LD. they made modidifcations and he REALLY worked to his potential then and excelled.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:45:17 PM)
Yes Kim, I joked that I was glad she's in bed and missed that part as she'd be very verbal about it
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:45:23 PM)
it helps the kids feel good about themselves to hear about the geniuses w/LD etc
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:45:42 PM)
I will mention it to her.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:45:54 PM)
yes blab made a big difference for my son
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:45:59 PM)
I think we're all looking forward to that.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:46:01 PM)
and also remind her they had to work very hard to get at their level
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:46:08 PM)
I'm headed to a seminar on FFW tomorrow.after I get off work....hopefully will pick up some new good info to share,,,,so im going to head out..gonna be along day tomorrow
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:46:21 PM)
bye debbie
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:46:22 PM)
good luck debbie, keep in touch
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:46:25 PM)
bye Debbie
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:46:35 PM)
looking forward to hearing about it debbie have a good rest of the week
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:46:51 PM)
Will any of you be here Friday night with the kids?
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:46:52 PM)
will do.! meeting with school on Friday..should be fun! (joking)..night night
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:47:01 PM)
by DEbbie, I am very interested in Fast ForWord, bring back lots of info>
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:47:04 PM)
Carol, we will be here Friday night!
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:47:12 PM)
good, missed the last one
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:47:14 PM)
sending good vibes debbies way for friday
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:47:19 PM)
I figure successful people who have overcome something is always good for our kids
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:47:24 PM)
adding to those vibes
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:47:30 PM)
thanks all...*HUGS*
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:47:36 PM)
we missed too but will try this Friday for sure
debbie (ID=184) (May 15, 2001 9:47:36 PM)
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blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:47:42 PM)
isn't fir PM for the kids chat
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:47:45 PM)
My daughter is too little for the Fri chat
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:48:03 PM)
I don't think my son would be interested.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:48:04 PM)
Yes it's for the kids but most moms are there to type
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:48:08 PM)
Mine is too big at least he thinks so
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:48:14 PM)
jbjb we can still try to include her how old is she ?
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:48:16 PM)
how old is he?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:48:19 PM)
My daughter had a ball and there was an 18 year old there
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:48:21 PM)
5
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:48:27 PM)
my son types better than I do , way better
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:48:36 PM)
he is 14
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:48:42 PM)
Mine is 13
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:48:53 PM)
When were they diagnosed?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:48:54 PM)
That kid was great telling about how he does things in school and what she can look forward to
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:48:56 PM)
will he be on?
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:49:00 PM)
9.6 yo son here
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:49:06 PM)
12 y/o
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:49:13 PM)
I don't know if he'd be interested, but I'll ask him
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:49:25 PM)
It might do him some good
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:49:25 PM)
WOW, my daughter is so young. That makes me nervous.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:49:31 PM)
don
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:49:43 PM)
Mine was 12 when diagnosed too.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:49:46 PM)
sorry, I meant don't be nervous, just means you caught it early
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:50:05 PM)
right jbjb
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:50:08 PM)
mine should have been dx earlier much earlier but he has so much going on they thought it was due to his ADHd or his VI
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:50:13 PM)
Carol is right
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:50:33 PM)
Looking back, did you all see anything in the preschool years?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:50:47 PM)
wish we had caught it earlier having a hard time doing anything about it therapy wise at his age
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:50:48 PM)
oh yeah....just couldn't make anyone else see it.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:50:52 PM)
blab the school SLP still tries to lean it to ADD
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:51:09 PM)
I would have had the diagnosis when she was 6 without waiting for appointments and going through channels. I saw problems with her frustration at 18 months
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:51:15 PM)
it figures they would say that
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:51:19 PM)
same here I wanted him tested in 1st grade
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:51:26 PM)
I just feel that she is so young and I already see problems related to it.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:51:33 PM)
It got worse until I knew at 4 that there was a problem and handled it better
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:51:47 PM)
I did at a young age too. Nobody knew what it was though.
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:51:50 PM)
what did you allsee in the preschool yrs?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:52:02 PM)
I have the ADD diagnosis but no one at school believes it
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 9:52:15 PM)
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Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:52:19 PM)
frustration and questionable hearing loss
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:52:24 PM)
Hi kman, how are you?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:52:33 PM)
lots of signs w/20/20 hindsight I had no idea at the time he had loads of ear infections, tubes, always saying what? couldn't follow directions unless you gave them onea t a time right in his face etc
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:52:34 PM)
shy, withdrawn, not speaking much, lots of ear infections, funny walk, bad balance,frustration, the list goes on.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:52:43 PM)
no rhyming for my son for one thing he just couldn't here them
kefta (ID=203) (May 15, 2001 9:52:45 PM)
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kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 9:52:58 PM)
hello.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:52:59 PM)
Yes, blab, also the problems following directions and the ADD symptoms.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:53:03 PM)
Hi kefta
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:53:05 PM)
Carol do you have a girl? ADD w/out H?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:53:13 PM)
yes
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:53:13 PM)
how true, and mispronounced words
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:53:15 PM)
misunderstanding what was being said lots and lots of frustration
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:53:23 PM)
yes, Diane
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:53:38 PM)
blab, I don't think she has ADD.
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:53:51 PM)
they said the same thing about my son
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:54:00 PM)
who dx'd the ADD?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:54:04 PM)
if they aren't H and aren't causing H in class it is easier for the teachers to ignore
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:54:19 PM)
Pediatric specialist at Children's Hosp in Boston
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:54:30 PM)
How did they make the diagnosis?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:54:35 PM)
her slp was amazed at how well adapted she is, happy, not frustrated considering her scores. rhyming is a probel, mostly word finding and puts her thoughts together poorly.
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:54:48 PM)
Has she seen an audiologist?
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:54:51 PM)
my son has no H but I really think that his APD has alot to do with attending
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:54:51 PM)
if you can't hear and process you can't attend, focus, follow directions many of the same symptoms as ADD
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:55:36 PM)
We had my son on ritalin for about 2 months and saw no difference, so we took him off
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:55:37 PM)
The psychologist diagnosed her but when put together with education specialist and SLP audiology issues came up and that's when we were refered to the audiology clinic where we saw another SLP
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:55:38 PM)
exactly blab jbjb my son has always had the problem of searching for words
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:55:47 PM)
mine got thru school before the dx b/c the mods for ADHD helped the APD symptoms too
Ronnie (ID=204) (May 15, 2001 9:55:48 PM)
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jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:55:57 PM)
they say she is too young for the complete cap testing by the audiologists. her hearingis perfect, trouble with background noise on the test
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:55:59 PM)
Hi Ronnie
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:56:16 PM)
Hi
Ronnie (ID=204) (May 15, 2001 9:56:23 PM)
Hi Carol--I'm new to this group
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:56:24 PM)
diane, tell me about the trouble your son has finding the words
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:56:33 PM)
Hi Ronnie
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:56:41 PM)
Welcome, do you or your child have APD
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:56:42 PM)
but when he was tested he a a vocabulary score of 4th grade and this was in the summer betwee 1st and 2nd
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:56:50 PM)
that is my daughters biggest problem!
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:56:53 PM)
Same here Diane
kefta (ID=203) (May 15, 2001 9:57:01 PM)
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jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:57:17 PM)
right, my daughters vocab was good too!
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:57:21 PM)
he knows in his head what he wants to say but the words escape him
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:57:26 PM)
gotta run and pay the bills. Good night all
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:57:30 PM)
YES!!!!
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:57:31 PM)
night Kim
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:57:36 PM)
Night Kim :)
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:57:39 PM)
how old is your son?
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:57:46 PM)
he is 9.6
Kim (ID=200) (May 15, 2001 9:57:50 PM)
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blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:57:52 PM)
schools don't think they need to do anything for really smart kids w/problems b/c they can do about average or a little below struggling on their own
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:58:19 PM)
I have been trying to find someone who aslo saw word finding problems in their child
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 9:58:28 PM)
diane do they give him word banks for tests and writing assignments?
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 9:58:33 PM)
right blab and the stress they cause these kids is no wonder there are problems later on
Ronnie (ID=204) (May 15, 2001 9:58:52 PM)
Hi KIm-I have a daughter who is 17 years old. She has ADHD and recently I have discovered that she has CAPD. I have been looking into different speech therapy programs and into supplements. Does anyone have any good news about Pro Efa, etc. or aout Fast Forward. etc?
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:58:53 PM)
school wanted to retain him 1st grade I had him privately tested and he scored above average to superior in some areas
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:59:12 PM)
my daughter knows she is 5, but to this day she cannot verbalize it. she shows five finger.
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 9:59:44 PM)
oh jbjb that is my son exactly at that age
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 9:59:57 PM)
REALLY?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:00:08 PM)
i feel like i am going to cry....
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:00:14 PM)
i am
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 10:00:31 PM)
Ronnie, I don't know much about that but I know many on the listserv talk do.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:00:32 PM)
Mark had 9 1/2 years of therapy w/a speech therapist fora variety of language problems- articulation, pragmatics etc. noone ever mentioned APD until yrs later
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:00:40 PM)
it is so hard for her to get her point across sometimes.
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 10:00:42 PM)
*HUGS* jbjb
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 10:00:52 PM)
I remember a car ride going to get his birthday party supplies for his 6th b-day I asked him how old he was going to be and he couldn't answer he held up 6 fingers
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:00:56 PM)
thanks....
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:01:28 PM)
wow..that is my child....
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:01:35 PM)
does she also have apraxia issues or is it all APD?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:01:47 PM)
it took months to get her to recall her last name
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 10:01:48 PM)
My youngest does that sometimes still, a little over 6 and she says "Ahhhh" alot when talking
Diane (ID=198) (May 15, 2001 10:02:10 PM)
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jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:02:13 PM)
they say it is all related to APD
Ronnie (ID=204) (May 15, 2001 10:02:28 PM)
Does anyone have older children with CAPD?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:02:47 PM)
alot of her speech is flowing, then she loses words....
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:02:50 PM)
does the speech therapist work on it w/her help her w/word finding and word planning
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:02:54 PM)
My daughter is 10 years old and in the fifth grade.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:03:02 PM)
mine is 14 y/o now
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:03:13 PM)
her sentances are put together wrong at times, hard to understand her because of that
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:03:38 PM)
so she can do the thinking but it comes out wrong??
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:03:39 PM)
yes, sheis learning to "cue" herself.
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:03:55 PM)
yup...she knows what she means
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:04:01 PM)
can she write OK?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:04:42 PM)
she is EXTREMELY artistic. she writes letters but cannot name most. her fine motor is excellent.
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:05:18 PM)
she writes her name but does not know the letters she writes
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:05:34 PM)
only "B", the first one.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:05:42 PM)
I ask b/c there is a therapy that works on writing that is supposed to also help w/speech fluency it helps the child but the processes together more fluently
Ronnie (ID=204) (May 15, 2001 10:05:54 PM)
My daughter is 17 years old and for her entire school career has had great difficulty is staying on task. She is on medication but it has never been totally productive. She can't follow an entire conversation and she seems to lose some information in the middle of the sentence. It has aways been attributed to her ADHD, but I know that there are other problems operating with her.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:06:24 PM)
has she been dx by an aud? Ronnie
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 10:06:29 PM)
I've got to hit the sack for another early morning. Check out the listserv , maelstrom's, st. johns. Goodnight
Carol (ID=187) (May 15, 2001 10:06:37 PM)
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jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:06:56 PM)
no, they say she is too young for that testing. Did very poorly on the TAPS and the SCAN tests
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:07:09 PM)
ronnie an Fm device might help her
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:07:27 PM)
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Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:07:50 PM)
arghhh I got booted:(
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:08:04 PM)
I keep hearing these kids are too young from people They told me mine was too old to be helped by therapy and it should have been caught yrs ago!!
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:08:05 PM)
Diane, did they dx your son with anything else related to the word finding prob?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:08:32 PM)
He is also dyslexic jbjb
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:08:42 PM)
They are treating her as CAPD, they jsut can't do the formal testing until she is 6-7.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:08:43 PM)
that happened to me last week diane
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:09:05 PM)
dyslexia dx blab?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:09:14 PM)
I have read alot, ny daughter has alot of the "risk factors" for dyslexia.
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:09:17 PM)
Diane, how old is your son.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:09:25 PM)
he is 9.6
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:09:31 PM)
Have you looked into Lindamood Bell for the dyslexia. My nephew is dyslexic
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:09:49 PM)
When did you get the dyslexia dx.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:09:56 PM)
I am going to an open house for LB in June
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:10:17 PM)
summer between 1st and 2nd grade kman
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:10:29 PM)
No mine aren't dyslexic at all the 14 y/o has discalculia but writes great the 8 yr has dysgraphia
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:11:05 PM)
she is only 5, in preschool they say they child is at "risk" for dyslexia.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:11:09 PM)
they both read above grade level
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:11:11 PM)
He just got accepted for an Orton-Gillingham tutoring program last Friday
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:11:33 PM)
word retrieval is a big one.
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:11:53 PM)
And who evaluates for dyslexia. The reason I ask is that my daughter is displaying some reversals in reading, but not in writing.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:11:56 PM)
OG is great My son's school, private school he went to for 1st and 2nd used that w/everyone
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:12:30 PM)
can she track visually? has her eyesight been checked?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:12:33 PM)
kman, how old is your child?
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:12:41 PM)
She is 10.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:12:55 PM)
I'm thrilled about it blab :) kman my son was dx'd by a ed physch
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:13:23 PM)
kman she may need vision therapy ans well as aud
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:13:34 PM)
I had my son thoruoghly tested visually by an ped opthamoligist
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:13:39 PM)
the international dyslexia assoc web site is helpful. lists symptoms and what to do.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:13:41 PM)
oops wanted audiology not ist
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:14:27 PM)
yes it is good and letter reversal is a very small part of dyslexia kman
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:14:42 PM)
did they check tracking isolating letters word groups differentiating shapes and symbols etc
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:14:44 PM)
blab, we went the vision therapy first. After much reading the whole vision therapy theory seems lack credibility.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:15:11 PM)
it affects all parts of language and I personally think it goes hand in hand with APD
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:15:49 PM)
depends on the dx and the person doing the therapy. mine is legally blind but they helped him early on w/ tracking issues etc
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:16:16 PM)
Int dyslexia describes it as a language disability
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:16:35 PM)
me too. i believe it comes down to phoneme processing and awareness, which is very difficult for kids with APD. The national reading council said Phoneme awareness is the most important indicator in ability to read.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:16:53 PM)
that is why OG is so good
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:17:12 PM)
I can't wait to start the O-G
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:17:41 PM)
it makes sense to me, that it dyslexia goes with APD, What is O-G?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:17:56 PM)
my older son jumped 4 grade levels in testing after a year of Og in private school
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:18:03 PM)
Orton-gillingham
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:18:17 PM)
Where do you find there schools?
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:18:22 PM)
what does it work with?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:18:23 PM)
Oh blab that makes my heart soar :)
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:18:54 PM)
We are going thruogh the 32nd degree Masons learning center
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:19:08 PM)
Where is that?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:19:13 PM)
They have centers all over the country and it is free
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:19:26 PM)
What does O-G do? What skills does is work with?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:19:31 PM)
many of the LD and dyslexia websites have info or links on OG
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:19:41 PM)
Thanks
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:19:49 PM)
It is verbal visual and kinestetic
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:20:24 PM)
teaches phonics , letters sounds, putting sounds together, uses every possible learning style to get it into their heads
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:21:05 PM)
blab how long did your son do OG ?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:21:12 PM)
they wrote letters in the sand in the air used their whole bodies
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:21:22 PM)
Do they have a home program? We are very rural here.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:21:33 PM)
kman where are you ?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:21:41 PM)
he was at the school for 3 yrs and it was part of everytihng they did
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:21:54 PM)
Thank you all for the information. I am turing in . Good Night
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:21:57 PM)
I am sure you could get info to do the program at home
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:21:57 PM)
NY state in the southern tier. Near Pa border.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:22:24 PM)
kman let me see if I have a website for them
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:22:34 PM)
OK, thanks.
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:22:42 PM)
try the dyslexia sites or email the list and I'll post some sites for you
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:23:00 PM)
thanks.
jbjb (ID=199) (May 15, 2001 10:23:44 PM)
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blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:23:57 PM)
www.dyscalculia.org may have a link it is both that & dyslexia
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:24:34 PM)
I don't have it bookmarkedbut blab is right
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:24:52 PM)
I think www.ldonline.org has a link too
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:24:57 PM)
Ok, thanks. I'll try there.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:25:15 PM)
There are a lot of centers in the NE kman
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:25:45 PM)
I think the headquartrs are in Mass
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:25:58 PM)
or Delaware
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:26:01 PM)
My sister is taking her son to a Univ near her for reading for his dyslexia
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:26:21 PM)
where are you blab ?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:26:26 PM)
Ohio
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:26:33 PM)
i'm in IN
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:26:41 PM)
right next door :0
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:27:04 PM)
sort of neighbors :)
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:27:05 PM)
all the tutors for this center come from the University
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:27:17 PM)
We had thought about a university setting, but then the school reading teacher said that if they don't know what they are doing it can be made worse.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:27:50 PM)
OG is a proven therapy
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:28:09 PM)
well the school where my sister was made it worse that is why she toroughly checked out the U program 1st and it has been great
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:28:11 PM)
been around for many, many years
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:28:29 PM)
It is worth looking into.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:28:30 PM)
amen blab
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:28:42 PM)
yes kman
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:28:45 PM)
if they are usung OG and not something else it is a pretty safe bet for dyslexia
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:28:56 PM)
I believe we will probably head to Rochester for further testing.
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:29:06 PM)
good idea kman
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:29:11 PM)
ditt
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:29:15 PM)
ditto
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:29:43 PM)
I need to get going. Thanks for the info. Nite.
kman (ID=202) (May 15, 2001 10:29:50 PM)
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Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:29:55 PM)
night kman good luck
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:30:11 PM)
she left too fast
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:30:22 PM)
whew I guess lol
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:30:32 PM)
is peggy still on?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:30:52 PM)
I think Peggy is at work and pops on when she can
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:31:09 PM)
left on idle I guess
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:31:16 PM)
yep lol
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:31:51 PM)
so when do you start w/OG
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:32:03 PM)
blab I am so thrilled to speak to someone first hand that had good luck with OG
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:32:13 PM)
June 22
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:32:45 PM)
first 2weeks are 5days a week 1hour then 4 weeks of 4days 1hour
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:32:46 PM)
I saw a whole class of kids (10/class) go from nonreaders to good readers w/OG
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:33:18 PM)
then he will continue 3 times weekly when school starts back
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:33:24 PM)
that was each year he went to the scholl b/c new kids came in w/problems every year
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:33:43 PM)
that is wonderful to hear blab :)
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:34:12 PM)
sounds good Bet it wll help lots w/the reading will he get help for the APD separately too
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:34:25 PM)
we have been on the waiting list for almost 2 years
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:34:38 PM)
that must be frustrating
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:34:49 PM)
yes i am checking into LB
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:35:06 PM)
very frustrating
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:35:16 PM)
it sounds really expensive but I have herad it has really worked for some kids
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:35:46 PM)
I am ambivalent about it I've heard good and abd and it is $$
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:35:53 PM)
I don't know much about LB just read a little when my sis was looking for programs for her son
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:36:27 PM)
ther some kind if course on it in Cincy coming up soon
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:36:34 PM)
and after we get oficial dx by ped audiologist I will se what he recommends
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:37:08 PM)
try to get the teacher to use some of the modifications even before you get an official dx
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:37:35 PM)
I have been flooded with info for fastForward, LB and AIT therapy since looking for the right audiologist
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:38:02 PM)
ronnie, have you tried any therapies for your daughter?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:38:14 PM)
He has an IEP already and gets preferential seating and "Earobics " in school now
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:38:41 PM)
when is your annual IEP meeting?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:38:52 PM)
InSept
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:39:03 PM)
my older son's is this Friday other's is next Friday
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:39:24 PM)
oh blab I'll be sending you good vibes (((())))
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:39:41 PM)
I'll need it Do you like having it in Sept?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:40:08 PM)
It's his birth month and I am also going to request new testing
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:40:43 PM)
I work for the district so it will be asap in Sept
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:40:47 PM)
they schedule on his birth month? mine would be Feb and Aug then, no way?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:41:03 PM)
That is how we do it here
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:41:15 PM)
by birth month
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:41:22 PM)
for ACR
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:41:24 PM)
they would love the Aug here
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:41:32 PM)
ACR?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:41:43 PM)
Do you start school in Aug ?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:41:53 PM)
not until after Labor day
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:41:55 PM)
annual case review
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:42:06 PM)
We start Aug 15
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:42:20 PM)
May 30 is our last day
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:42:22 PM)
Ok hadn't heard that since EI days w/my sons
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:42:53 PM)
we are out June 12 and start Sept sthg after Labor Day
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:43:17 PM)
I actually work for our districts SPED department
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:43:18 PM)
my kids ask every day when is school out Mom?
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:43:39 PM)
Ah, a sheep hiding in w/the wolves
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:43:44 PM)
2 more weeks here
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:44:17 PM)
what do you do w/the SPEd dept?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:44:50 PM)
nope they offered me the job after I drove them crazy about my son, SPED director thought I would do well with the job
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:45:27 PM)
I ma an instuctional aide for pre-school /kindergarten SPED
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:45:40 PM)
they would be afraid I would help all the parents get their kids services. I do that already but not working for them
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:46:00 PM)
work one on one with little ones
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:46:22 PM)
It's helped me help others
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:46:25 PM)
I think I asked you that before sorry don't keep people straight on here
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:46:37 PM)
neither do I LOL
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:46:46 PM)
great, my oldest has an aide makes a world of difference
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:47:30 PM)
did you tell me last week one is autistic or was that someone else
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:47:50 PM)
right now i have 3in preschool am and one in afternoon kindergarten (he is autistic) pre-schoolers are developmentally delayed
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:48:01 PM)
yep
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:48:20 PM)
are they mainstreamed?
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:48:33 PM)
yes
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:49:07 PM)
our district pre-school is for developmenatl delay only
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:49:10 PM)
do they do the mixed preK some w/Sped needs and some TDKs
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:49:28 PM)
oops you answered while I was typing the Q
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:50:04 PM)
by referral
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:50:05 PM)
I think it is better mixed gives them social interaction and role models
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:50:38 PM)
we do a inclusion daily with AYS typical peers
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:50:57 PM)
for social and role models
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:51:20 PM)
good
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:51:29 PM)
yes it works weel
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:51:46 PM)
need to run
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:51:52 PM)
geez can you tell i'm getting tired LOL
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:52:01 PM)
me too bye
blab (ID=201) (May 15, 2001 10:52:06 PM)
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Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:52:12 PM)
me too night chatting blab thankd for the OG info
Diane2 (ID=205) (May 15, 2001 10:52:25 PM)
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